Beginning of Islam?

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Gen 16:10 And again he said: I will multiply thy seed exceedingly, and it shall not be numbered for multitude.

Gen 16:11 And again: Behold, said he, thou art with child, and thou shalt bring forth a son: and thou shalt call his name Ismael, because the Lord hath heard thy affliction.

Gen 16:12 He shall be a wild man: his hand will be against all men, and all men’s hands against him: and he shall pitch his tents over against all his brethren.

This is talking about the child born of Abram and Agar the handmaid of Sarai. I have wondered about this for sometime. Any thoughts?:yup: :nope:
 
That is what the Mohammedans CLAIM. Nothing really started until 600 AD. Mohammed used those verses to justify his share of the pie of whom was really chosen by God.
 
Thanks for the reply. I know nothing about Islam so when I was reading this it just made me think about it…I didn’t realize that they used it already. :o
 
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I thought every one who used that rascist term died years ago. The correct and respectful term for people who consider Mohamed a proppet is Muslim not Mohannedan.

Yes, Abraham’s children are descendent from Ishmael and Isaac. And Abraham is a son of Shem, from which the term Semite comes ( a corruption from the term Shemite) and all Jews and Arabs are Shemites. Many times the two sides intermarried. I think Joseph’s wife was an Ishmaelite. So in one way or another, it is as God foretold in the Bible, that Abraham’s descendents would be as numerous as the stars and they are still lviing in the same places.

The angel of God appeared to Hagar (Ishamel’s mother) and promised her to protect her child and to make him a father of a great nation.The Qu’ran contains many stories form the Bible, but with a different spin, in the case of Abraham sacrificing his son, Muslims believe that it was Ishmael and not Isaac whom God asked Arbaham to sacrifices and then interceeded, by sending and angel to stop him. The feast marking the intercession by God’s angel, is one of the major holidays in the Islamic calendar.
 
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I thought every one who used that rascist term died years ago. The correct and respectful term for people who consider Mohamed a proppet is Muslim not Mohannedan.
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Sorry if thats a racist term. I didnt know that.

Anyway how is it a racist term?
 
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Sorry if thats a racist term. I didnt know that.

Anyway how is it a racist term?
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I wouldn’t call it racist. However calling Muslims Mohammedans is like saying that Catholics worship Mary. The word Muslim means one who submits to God. The word Mohammedanism means one who worships Mohammed. If we don’t like it when others misrepresent our beliefs, as many do about Catholic devotion to Our Lady, then we should not misrepresent those of others.

Anyway Mohammed made no claims about the ethnic origins of Muslims as such. His belief that Arabs were descendants of Ishmael was widespread at the time. It is probably every bit as accurate as the belief that Jews are the descendants of Isaac.

Incidentally Ruth the Moabite is mentioned as being an ancestor of David and therefore of Jesus. The unusual inclusion of a female in a genealogical list points to something very important. One of the reasons for this is to point out that Jews and Arabs are united once more in the person of Jesus.
 
It means follower of Mohammed, not worshipper. It’s not a good term to use because it offends, but it’s not actually incorrect. Christian doesn’t mean Worshipper of Christ, either, and Republican doesn’t mean Worshipper of Republics, and Anglican doesn’t mean Worshipper of Anglos, and Franciscan doesn’t mean Worshipper of St. Francis. Some Muslims got offended because they misunderstood the implication, didn’t understand our language, and so we’re not supposed to use the term any more.

Incidently, as a person of Middle-Eastern descent who’s family has been exposed to derision for it, I’m offended by the term Muslim (one who submits) because of the implication that Christians and Jews do not submit to God, but I recognize that that’s just the term they use.

In short, the term Mohammedan is insensitive, but it is in no way incorrect. If it means what people here have said it means, then we shouldn’t use the term Franciscan either, because it comes from the exact same usage.
 
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Anyway Mohammed made no claims about the ethnic origins of Muslims as such. His belief that Arabs were descendants of Ishmael was widespread at the time. It is probably every bit as accurate as the belief that Jews are the descendants of Isaac.

Incidentally Ruth the Moabite is mentioned as being an ancestor of David and therefore of Jesus. The unusual inclusion of a female in a genealogical list points to something very important. One of the reasons for this is to point out that Jews and Arabs are united once more in the person of Jesus.
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Where can I find research information to that statement? Any books or websites? I would like find out more on the subject. Thanks for th replies BTW!
 
using the term Mohammedan isn’t a racist term. A racist term would refer to someone’s race…this refers to someones religion. It’s called bigotry, NOT racism. Sorry but it irritates me when people say others are being racist when they don’t really even know the definition of the term racist.

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Where can I find research information to that statement? Any books or websites? I would like find out more on the subject. Thanks for th replies BTW!
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You could try reading the Book of Genesis with a Catholic commentary. Or look at americancatholic.org/Newsletters/SFS/an0601.asp or directory.google.com/Top/Society/Religion_and_Spirituality/People/Old_Testament/Ishmael/
religionquest.com/abr_home.htm
time.com/time/archive/preview/0,10987,1101020930-353560,00.html
 
I like to refer to them as the " Satanic Saracen horde of hateful Arab Muslim Sand Nazi terrorist infidels" who occupy the holy land and Christian lands of North Africa and Easter Europe (and France).

Arabs are not semites, the Arabs were numedians(could be wrong) but definetly just nomadic/
 
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