Believing In Faith Alone

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To those who believe in the Word of the Lord, the Truth, but believe they are promised salvation through faith alone I pose the following questions;

How is it that although there are many verses in the Gospel that proclaim the necessity for works in love of each other, charity and humility, those who believe in faith alone refuse to accept these proclamations of Jesus?

In particular, I pose the following verses that have been presented to many who believe faith is salvation in itself. I suggest your deepest consideration before responding. These proclamations are very direct in meaning. Could living by the correct answer be the difference between salvation and condemnation as Christ has spoken or was He wrong? When these verses are presented to believers of salvation through faith alone, there is rarely a response at all let alone a reasonable explanation or interpretation offered. As I said, the verses are ignored completely;

***Matthew CH25 31 *****14 "When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit upon his glorious throne, 32 and all the nations ****15 will be assembled before him. And he will separate them one from another, as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will place the sheep on his right and the goats on his left. 34 Then the king will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father. Inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, a stranger and you welcomed me, 36 naked and you clothed me, ill and you cared for me, in prison and you visited me.’ 37 Then the righteous ****16 will answer him and say, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and welcome you, or naked and clothe you? 39 When did we see you ill or in prison, and visit you?’ 40 And the king will say to them in reply, ‘Amen, I say to you, whatever you did for one of these least brothers of mine, you did for me.’ **
***41 *****17 Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you accursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me no drink, 43 a stranger and you gave me no welcome, naked and you gave me no clothing, ill and in prison, and you did not care for me.’ 44 **18 Then they will answer and say, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or ill or in prison, and not minister to your needs?’ 45 He will answer them, ‘Amen, I say to you, what you did not do for one of these least ones, you did not do for me.’ 46 And these will go off to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life."
Finally; For those who believe works comes automatically and are not of our free will, where does the Gospels say our free will is taken away leaving our actions or works to the responsibility of the Holy Spirit? And if this were the case, why would Jesus judge us on our works of love if we have faith to begin with? Why also would works of love be acceptable yet as Jesus has proclaimed, God knows what is in the hearts of man and that which is done for reward or praise or out of pride has no value?
 
I’ve had many discussions with Protestants regarding “faith alone”. They insist it’s Scriptural, even though it’s not in the Scriptures. Augustine said in his homily on “The Wedding Garment” that the guest without the wedding garment was someone without love. He said you can have faith without having love, but you can’t have love without having faith.
 
If no believers in Faith alone or OSAS can offer a credible rebuttal to the initial post, wouldn’t that raise the question in their minds;

“…perhaps my salvation depends on my learning the Truth?”

Or would some think, it is better to remain blind to the Truth?
 
If no believers in Faith alone or OSAS can offer a credible rebuttal to the initial post, wouldn’t that raise the question in their minds;

“…perhaps my salvation depends on my learning the Truth?”

Or would some think, it is better to remain blind to the Truth?
It could also be that this is the wrong forum to ask the question.
If the question were asked in the Non-catholic religion section you might get more NCC’s seeing it.
Just a thought.

Peace
James
 
This isn’t really the proper forum for this question but I will try it.

The bible tells us that we are saved by faith through the grace of God and not of works. There are no works that save us—just faith.

Fortunately for us, faith produces the evidence of works. James said that without works, faith was dead and that is also true. It is the faith that produces works.

Was our father Abraham saved by works? No! It was his faith in God that saved him. The bible does not teach that works saves anyone. It is faith plus nothing that saves us. I would like to see the scriptures that show we have to produce works to be saved.

JC
 
This isn’t really the proper forum for this question but I will try it.

The bible tells us that we are saved by faith through the grace of God and not of works. There are no works that save us—just faith.

Fortunately for us, faith produces the evidence of works. James said that without works, faith was dead and that is also true. It is the faith that produces works.

Was our father Abraham saved by works? No! It was his faith in God that saved him. The bible does not teach that works saves anyone. It is faith plus nothing that saves us. I would like to see the scriptures that show we have to produce works to be saved.

JC
Your post is well taken, but I think that issue is misunderstood by most protestants. We, as Catholics, do not deny the primacy of Faith through Grace. The problem with “Faith Alone” is not “Faith”, but “Alone”.
James is clear on this when He says that Faith without works is dead. A dead faith cannot save.
Works are indeed an outgrowth of faith but they are real and necessary as evidence. (in most cases -deathbed conversions are another issue) To claim faith without the comensurate change in life, that is walking the walk, is to make a false claim.

The issue of faith alone needs to be backed up in Scripture and it is not.
Jesus never taught it - He taught a Gospel of Faith AND Action.
Can one be saved by works without faith? - Scripture says no.
Can one be saved by Faith without Works? - Scripture says no to this also.

Once again, please do not think that the Catholic Church places Works above faith. It does not. Nor does it seperate teh two. Faith and works go hand in hand.

Peace
James

Peace
James
 
I posted this on another thread about faith and works.

Perhaps it will help here.

In my humble opinion every one of these discussions that you speak of are born from a misunderstanding of Catholic traching.
How many times have you heard some variation on the, “The Catholic Church teaches a ‘Works’ Doctrine”.
The simple truth is that the Church teaches no such ting, and never has. The fact that, at various times, the Church, or some of it’s members, have emphasized the importance of works does not mean that we believe you can get to heaven by works without faith.

As to the subtle differences and so forth, I would suggest reading the catachism as a way of learning the Church’s teaching on the role of each item. I will attempt to give my understanding of how it is viewed.

Belief, Grace, Faith, Love and Works are interwoven pieces. They cannot be seperated. They can only be placed in “order”.


  1. *]We begin with Grace. Grace is the supernatural foundation. The “seed” that God plants in every soul that enables it to find it’s way back to God.
    *]Then comes Belief. We must believe in something before anything else. If we do not believe in God, then the seed of Grace will not grow.
    *]After Belief comes Faith. The difference between belief and faith, is simply this: I may believe in the existance of banks, but do I have faith in them. Faith gets into trusting and believing in the promises of God and believing in Jesus Christ and salvation through doing the will of the Father. Learning and developing our faith is nurturing and allowing the seed of God’s grace to grow in us.
    *]Then Comes Love. Jesus places Love as the Greatest and center of all of the Law and prophets. What we Love and covet is how we know “where our heart is”. If we Love God and wish to do His will, then we will Love our neighbor unselfishly and wish to act in ways that are pleasing to our love - who is God Himself.
    *]Then comes Works. If we believe properly, that is we have a trusting belief, then works will necessarily follow. If works do not follow then there is a problem with one of the above.

    I hope some of this helps you.

    Peace
    James
 
This isn’t really the proper forum for this question but I will try it.

The bible tells us that we are saved by faith through the grace of God and not of works. There are no works that save us—just faith.

Fortunately for us, faith produces the evidence of works. James said that without works, faith was dead and that is also true. It is the faith that produces works.

Was our father Abraham saved by works? No! It was his faith in God that saved him. The bible does not teach that works saves anyone. It is faith plus nothing that saves us. I would like to see the scriptures that show we have to produce works to be saved.

JC
Abraham CHOSE to perform because of his faith in God. He did not respond blindly or without free will. This free will is what generated the test of faith to begin with. Otherwise there would be no test

Again here we are with the notion our free will is gone and we automatically perform works. Matthew shows us that Jesus WILL judge us on our works which He would not do if we didn’t have the ability to choose not tp perform. Further, In these verses He offers us several examples of what “works” consist of. The very essense of these verses stand against the auto response of Faith to perform works. Yes, we are saved by Faith provided we live according to His teachings and those teachings include performing the works we are responsible for. Otherwise, how just could God be to judge us on something that we had no choice over.
 
It could also be that this is the wrong forum to ask the question.
If the question were asked in the Non-catholic religion section you might get more NCC’s seeing it.
Just a thought.

Peace
James
daaaa, I didn’t even realize I did that… Thanks for the wake up.🙂
 
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