Best Way To Ask For Baptism?

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From learning about the Faith, I would prefer to be baptized according to the traditional Latin Rite. Father only offers the Mass in NO but, he does seem to know Latin. How exactly should I go about making my request made known to him? What terms should I use? Are there any resources I could offer?
 
Just ask him politely and give him your reasons. The worst that can happen is he will say no.

Maybe someone else will be able to offer something more helpful, I don’t know anything you can do other than the above.
 
From learning about the Faith, I would prefer to be baptized according to the traditional Latin Rite. Father only offers the Mass in NO but, he does seem to know Latin. How exactly should I go about making my request made known to him? What terms should I use? Are there any resources I could offer?
“seem to know Latin”. What does that mean? How do you know if he speaks Latin and if indeed he is proficient in it.

Your baptism will be no more valid in Latin.
 
Is there a parish in your area that offers the Latin Mass (Extraordinary Form)? In case your pastor doesn’t / can’t do the baptism in Latin, maybe another parish / pastor could. Check the FSSP website to find a local parish…
 
If you are an adult, your baptism will take place at the Easter Vigil with others also being baptized that night. I can’t imagine how your baptism could be done differently from everyone else’s.

I think that if you want to be baptized according to the old rite you would need to find a parish that celebrates the sacraments that way.
 
From learning about the Faith, I would prefer to be baptized according to the traditional Latin Rite. Father only offers the Mass in NO but, he does seem to know Latin. How exactly should I go about making my request made known to him? What terms should I use? Are there any resources I could offer?
Even if his is very proficient in Latin, it would be difficult for him to do the Baptism in Latin without some serious preparation and practice beforehand.

He can always use the Extraordinary Form for Baptism in the vernacular.

Here it is in English
sanctamissa.org/en/resources/books-1962/rituale-romanum/index.html
 
One of the larger challenges will be that, as an adult, you would normally be baptized during Easter. If there are multiple adults being baptized, Father might not want to be switching between the older and newer format of the rites.
 
If you are an adult, your baptism will take place at the Easter Vigil with others also being baptized that night. I can’t imagine how your baptism could be done differently from everyone else’s.
I was thinking the same thing.

One other possibility, though rarely done, is to do the baptism in the older form at Pentecost. This is keeping with tradition for baptism, and I seem to remember it being one of the two days recommended for adult baptism. This is in accord with Acts 2:41 where 3000 were baptized on Pentecost.

That being said I would be very surprised if this was allowed. Too many are locked into the RCIA = September-to-Easter Vigil school term mindset.
 
From learning about the Faith, I would prefer to be baptized according to the traditional Latin Rite. Father only offers the Mass in NO but, he does seem to know Latin.** How exactly should I go about making my request made known to him? What terms should I use? Are there any resources I could offer?**
Biblical example ,Philip and the Ethiopian Eunuch (Acts 8)

"26 But an angel of the Lord said to Philip, “Rise and go toward the south to the road that goes down from Jerusalem to Gaza.” This is a desert road. 27 And he rose and went. And behold, an Ethiopian, a eunuch, a minister of the Canda′ce the queen of the Ethiopians, in charge of all her treasure, had come to Jerusalem to worship 28 and was returning; seated in his chariot, he was reading the prophet Isaiah. 29 And the Spirit said to Philip, “Go up and join this chariot.” 30 So Philip ran to him, and heard him reading Isaiah the prophet, and asked, “Do you understand what you are reading?” 31 And he said, “How can I, unless some one guides me?” And he invited Philip to come up and sit with him. 32 Now the passage of the scripture which he was reading was this:

“As a sheep led to the slaughter
or a lamb before its shearer is dumb,
so he opens not his mouth.
33 In his humiliation justice was denied him.
Who can describe his generation?
For his life is taken up from the earth.”

34 And the eunuch said to Philip, “About whom, pray, does the prophet say this, about himself or about some one else?” 35 Then Philip opened his mouth, and beginning with this scripture he told him the good news of Jesus. 36 And as they went along the road they came to some water, and the eunuch said, “See, here is water! What is to prevent my being baptized?” 38 And he commanded the chariot to stop, and they both went down into the water, Philip and the eunuch, and he baptized him. 39 And when they came up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught up Philip; and the eunuch saw him no more, and went on his way rejoicing."

If you have received instruction, taught the Gospel and there is water, nothing should prevent your baptism. What rite it is done in does not matter. You will become a child of God, and like the Ethiopian, go on your way rejoicing. 🙂
 
There are other issues:

While the use of the Extraordinary Form is (nearly) always available, the 2 forms cannot be mixed. That means that the Extraordinary Form for Baptism cannot be done during the OF Easter Vigil Mass.

Parish pastors need permission from the bishop (canon 863) to baptize adults (except in emergencies). Each diocese will have its own policy on whether or not that permission is given to parish pastors (and whether or not the pastor delegates that to a parochial vicar, if that’s the case).

The use of the EF for an adult baptism is possible in theory however keep in mind that all other canonical requirements must first be met before this question even becomes realistic.
 
Parish pastors need permission from the bishop (canon 863) to baptize adults (except in emergencies). Each diocese will have its own policy on whether or not that permission is given to parish pastors (and whether or not the pastor delegates that to a parochial vicar, if that’s the case).
Is that permission normally only delegated for a single day of the year? I don’t want to derail this thread, but I would think if a pastor has the authority to confer baptism to an adult at the Easter vigil that the delegation would extend until it expired or was revoked.
 
Is that permission normally only delegated for a single day of the year? I don’t want to derail this thread, but I would think if a pastor has the authority to confer baptism to an adult at the Easter vigil that the delegation would extend until it expired or was revoked.
As I said in the last post, it depends on the diocese (and on the bishop, since he can freely change the diocesan policy).

The pastor has that permission if (and only if) the bishop gives him that permission.

The circumstances and the time would depend on how the bishop gave that permission.

There is no one answer that fits all circumstances. Every bishop approaches this differently. It doesn’t matter what “most” bishops might do. It only matters what that particular bishop of that particular diocese has decided to delegate to that particular pastor.
 
From learning about the Faith, I would prefer to be baptized according to the traditional Latin Rite. Father only offers the Mass in NO but, he does seem to know Latin. How exactly should I go about making my request made known to him? What terms should I use? Are there any resources I could offer?
I can really only suggest asking him – and being prepared to tell him why you are making the request.

I agree with what Father David has mentioned as far as this may be a demanding request of the priest and could require significant preparation for him. That is presuming his knowledge of Latin is equal to the vocabulary he will encounter in the rite. Some of us have studied Latin extensively – some of us have even taught it – but there are some who may have only a minimal knowledge from seminary…and even less facility in employing it. And, frankly, there are those who are quite comfortable reading documents in the language in the privacy of their office yet shy away from actually celebrating one of the rites in public in Latin. This rite is actually a relatively complex one for the celebrant, all the more when not done on a recurring basis.

There is a problem beyond that which has yet to be addressed in the thread.

You are (presumably) an adult who would be coming into the Church via the RCIA. That envisions being received at the Easter Vigil but that is not absolute and it can be done at another time. However, the norm is that you would be baptised, confirmed, and receive First Holy Communion at the same liturgical event.

Granted that you are asking to be baptised in the extraordinary form…
Are you also then asking to be confirmed in the extraordinary form?

If you are, you will have to pose the question as touching upon both sacraments. It has been so many years since I last did that, I would have to go back through the ritual to research the implication.

My next concern would be that if you separate out the baptism from the confirmation, how will the confirmation occur? Will you seek one after the other in the extraordinary form? Baptism in the extraordinary form and then confirmation by the priest in a separate liturgical event in the ordinary form? Or would you seek to be confirmed by the bishop at a later time when he makes either his confirmation tour or when he has a diocese wide confirmation for those adults who missed receiving it in the normal cycle?

Theoretically, you could be baptised in the extraordinary form before the triduum (but not during because of the liturgical norms governing the extraordinary form, as best I remember them) and then confirmed in the ordinary form at the Easter Vigil with your RCIA classmates with your First Holy Communion being either then or between the baptism and the confirmation.

Were I your pastor, those would be among the questions I would have beyond why you wanted it this way.

You are certainly within your right to invoke the motu proprio Summorum Pontificum to receive the sacraments of initiation in the vetus ordo…but you and the priest – and possibly he and the bishop – would have to think through the other ramifications and you should understand that this is such an atypical request, an immediate answer may not be instantly at hand.

Finally…could you clarify what sort of resources you are seeking so as to be able to offer them to the priest? The text of Summorum Pontificum that says you can request the sacraments in the vetus ordo? The texts of the rites themselves? I apologise but I’m afraid I don’t understand that part of your request.
 
Thank you to you all for your replies. You’ve given me much to ponder. Some of you have asked questions that I’ll trying to answer.

First of all, I’m the lone adult who would be baptized this coming Easter. Everyone else is being confirmed. There was originally another person who was going towards baptism but, they’ve taken time out and won’t be baptized this year. It was only when I found out I was to be baptized alone that I began to take seriously the notion of being baptized according to the traditional Latin Rite. I then would join my peers in being confirmed and receiving Holy Communion.

Why? A couple of different reasons. I read through both the current form and the traditional form and find both to be beautiful, and as such it isn’t actually a big deal if Father says no. I have no qualms with being baptized with the current form at all.I’m only seeking to be baptized in the older form. So why ask?

When a woman or man prepares to marry, they desire to give themselves completely one to another. I suspect the same is true for religious and priests. The traditional Rite of Baptism is longer, more in depth and requires more from me than the current form. So for me, I see the possibility of uniting myself more completely to Christ in doing more and being more actively involved. I’ve also found that I take to Latin with surprising ease - I’m not the best at languages but, there seems to be something with Latin. And since it’s sanctified by its use, why not include it? I also find the option of lying prostrate before the Lord in adoration very appealing. This is something I sometimes do personally. There are also 3 exorcisms in the older Rite which again demands more of me and I suspect may impart more grace. Grace I desperately need.

My ultimate reason can be summed up in a quote from St. Thomas Aquinas’ Summa ( Tertia Pars, Q. 69, A. 8, Reply):
“Whereas adults, who approach Baptism in their own faith, are not equally disposed to Baptism; for some approach thereto with greater, some with less, devotion. And therefore some receive a greater, some a smaller share of the grace of newness; just as from the same fire, he receives more heat who approaches nearest to it, although the fire, as far as it is concerned, sends forth its heat equally to all.”

As for resources, I was mainly looking for the proper rubrics in Latin, or in English since I had read most of the older form can be said in the vernacular although the exorcism and actual formula are to be said in Latin.
 
Those are very good reasons and the sequence is logical, since you are the only one to be baptised. I hope the priest is able to accommodate your desire.

All the materials from when I taught Liturgy and Sacraments are in print form, which is not helpful for Internet transmission and also are not right at hand in any event. I’ll have a look, first chance I can take time, to see if I can find what you seek in electronic format if someone else hasn’t found them.

I shall pray all proceeds well for you. God bless you. Welcome.
 
Thank you to you all for your replies. You’ve given me much to ponder. Some of you have asked questions that I’ll trying to answer.

First of all, I’m the lone adult who would be baptized this coming Easter. Everyone else is being confirmed. There was originally another person who was going towards baptism but, they’ve taken time out and won’t be baptized this year. It was only when I found out I was to be baptized alone that I began to take seriously the notion of being baptized according to the traditional Latin Rite. I then would join my peers in being confirmed and receiving Holy Communion.

Why? A couple of different reasons. I read through both the current form and the traditional form and find both to be beautiful, and as such it isn’t actually a big deal if Father says no. I have no qualms with being baptized with the current form at all.I’m only seeking to be baptized in the older form. So why ask?

When a woman or man prepares to marry, they desire to give themselves completely one to another. I suspect the same is true for religious and priests. The traditional Rite of Baptism is longer, more in depth and requires more from me than the current form. So for me, I see the possibility of uniting myself more completely to Christ in doing more and being more actively involved. I’ve also found that I take to Latin with surprising ease - I’m not the best at languages but, there seems to be something with Latin. And since it’s sanctified by its use, why not include it? I also find the option of lying prostrate before the Lord in adoration very appealing. This is something I sometimes do personally. There are also 3 exorcisms in the older Rite which again demands more of me and I suspect may impart more grace. Grace I desperately need.

My ultimate reason can be summed up in a quote from St. Thomas Aquinas’ Summa ( Tertia Pars, Q. 69, A. 8, Reply):
“Whereas adults, who approach Baptism in their own faith, are not equally disposed to Baptism; for some approach thereto with greater, some with less, devotion. And therefore some receive a greater, some a smaller share of the grace of newness; just as from the same fire, he receives more heat who approaches nearest to it, although the fire, as far as it is concerned, sends forth its heat equally to all.”

As for resources, I was mainly looking for the proper rubrics in Latin, or in English since I had read most of the older form can be said in the vernacular although the exorcism and actual formula are to be said in Latin.
Here is an online version of the Roman Ritual.

sanctamissa.org/en/resources/books-1962/rituale-romanum/index.html

If you mean “at the Easter Vigil Mass.” Meaning, quite literally during the Mass, then the traditional form is not a possibility because the 2 forms cannot be mixed. The only way for that to happen would be to find an Easter Vigil Mass in the Extraordinary Form. That might be easy for you, although these are rare—maybe you just happen to know of one nearby. There might still be issues of jurisdiction, but permission is always possible (of course, I can’t make any guarantees).

It would be easier to do this at a time other-than the Easter Vigil Mass. Your pastor would know if he has the proper permission to baptize adults (again, canon 863).

I would suggest as a first step, to printout the ritual and show it to your pastor.

Another point to remember is that the priest will need (or at least should have) some of the water from the Easter Vigil done in the Extraordinary Form, but reserved before the Holy Oils are added to it (so you can’t just get a bottle of water after the Mass is over). A priest can bless new baptismal holy water, but the preference is for the Easter Vigil water. This is the sort of thing I mean when I say that it gets rather complicated.
 
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