bible and islam(christian fellows i need your help)

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muslims believe that bible was the book of allah but later it had been altered by men.well now i want to ask my muslim fellows that if bible altered by men then why didn’t allah correct it?why he sent quran?shouldn’t he sent reall(!!)bible again?or allah forgot that wat he said to moses,(torah)david(psalms)&jesus(gospel)?so why we need a new book quran,why allah couldn’t sent the so called real bible again?
 
your answer isn’t clear.wat do you mean by “no they don’t”?bible had been altered by men or muslims don’t belive that bible was the books of allah?
 
Why did Allah fail to explicitly and clearly announce that the text of the Torah and Gospel have been corrupted? Allah is a weak god; he could not protect his previous Revelations. He also gains more power and might throughout time, because he supposedly is now able to protect his last revelation, the Quran. Allah does not care about people being misled by counterfeit revelations. And yet he will still punish individuals with hell fire because they follow a corrupted Message even though they may have not come to the realization that Allah had allowed it to be corrupted. That means Allah is unjust.
 
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your answer isn’t clear.wat do you mean by “no they don’t”?bible had been altered by men or muslims don’t belive that bible was the books of allah?
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What is your native language, I’m curious to know?

My answer was clear, actually. Muslims do not believe that the Bible was a book of Allah. The Bible is a collection of books–Muslims believe that SOME of them are from Allah, and the rest are from men.
 
MugenOne said:
Why did Allah fail to explicitly and clearly announce that the text of the Torah and Gospel have been corrupted? Allah is a weak god; he could not protect his previous Revelations. He also gains more power and might throughout time, because he supposedly is now able to protect his last revelation, the Quran. Allah does not care about people being misled by counterfeit revelations. And yet he will still punish individuals with hell fire because they follow a corrupted Message even though they may have not come to the realization that Allah had allowed it to be corrupted. That means Allah is unjust.
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First of all, because God did not do something did not mean that he could not do something. So you cannot imply weakness.

And secondly, you have no proof of injustice–if an individual does not become aware of the truth, then how can he be punished? So God is Just.

Allahu Akbar, Wa Allahu Alam.
 
Sister_Amy said:
What is your native language, I’m curious to know?

My answer was clear, actually. Muslims do not believe that the Bible was a book of Allah. The Bible is a collection of books–Muslims believe that SOME of them are from Allah, and the rest are from men.
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Really? Which ones are from Allah? How do muslims know which ones are from allah? Is every part of these books form Allah or just certain verses?
 
which is my native language i think its not a matter.but ur question wasn’t simple.but later you made it simple.anyway wat do u think about torah,psalms&gospel?didn’t those came from allah?answer if you want.good luck
 
morning_star777 said:
which is my native language i think its not a matter.but ur question wasn’t simple.but later you made it simple.anyway wat do u think about torah,psalms&gospel?didn’t those came from allah?answer if you want.good luck
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Sure, those CAME from Allah. At least that’s what Muslims believe.

But the Bible is made up of much much more… the work of men (according to Islam,) so it’s not correct to say that Muslims believe in the whole Bible.
 
Sister_Amy said:
What is your native language, I’m curious to know?

My answer was clear, actually. Muslims do not believe that the Bible was a book of Allah. The Bible is a collection of books–Muslims believe that SOME of them are from Allah, and the rest are from men.
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Dear Sister,

Which books of the Bible that the muslims believe are from Allah?
 
very good.you agree that torah,psalms&gospel came from allah.but muslims claim that those were altered.if those came from allah then why allah didn’t prevent corruption?and if really altered then why allah sent a new book as quran?why he didn’t send the so called reall torah,psalms&gospel?can you answer it?
 
Sister_Amy said:
What is your native language, I’m curious to know?

My answer was clear, actually. Muslims do not believe that the Bible was a book of Allah. The Bible is a collection of books–Muslims believe that SOME of them are from Allah, and the rest are from men.
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First, could you please quote the Koran verse or verses where Allah declares that only some books of the Bible had been parts of divine revelation? In other words, I would like to know the Koran verses asserting that the Jewish and Christian Scripture in Mohammad’s time contained additional parts that did not originally belong to his former revelation?

Second, there are a few verses in the Koran that regard the Book of Psalms as a section of the Torah. For instance,

Surah 3:3 . He hath revealed unto thee (Muhammad) the Scripture with truth, confirming that which was (revealed) before it, even as He revealed the Torah and the Gospel.

This verse apparently includes the Book of Psalms into the Torah because the scribes of the Koran knew that Jews referred to all the books of the Jewish Bible when they simply said “Torah”.
 
morning_star777 said:
muslims believe that bible was the book of allah but later it had been altered by men.well now i want to ask my muslim fellows that if bible altered by men then why didn’t allah correct it?why he sent quran?shouldn’t he sent reall(!!)bible again?or allah forgot that wat he said to moses,(torah)david(psalms)&jesus(gospel)?so why we need a new book quran,why allah couldn’t sent the so called real bible again?
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Good question there brother.
I too have learned that the Hadith teaches that especially Paul and the early Christians distorted Scripture…

But we as Christians dont believe that the Bible is Gods uncreated word. We know that its inspired from beginning till end but we also realise it is written by men.

There are quite many factual mistakes in the Quran that gives the moslems a explanation problem because their god is then fallible…
That being said I dont think you can get a clear answer to your question because the question is one of faith, not science.

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Anyway; Good to have you with us in the Lord Christ Jesus, the ONLY Name given to us by which we can be saved 🙂
halleluja, thank you Jesus for bringing this brother into fellowship with you and with us, Amen 🙂 :grouphug:
 
Sister_Amy said:
Sure, those CAME from Allah. At least that’s what Muslims believe.

But the Bible is made up of much much more… the work of men (according to Islam,) so it’s not correct to say that Muslims believe in the whole Bible.
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So muslims believe the gospel came (or was inspired) by allah? So is this statement true:

Mark Chapter 14:
*60 And the high priest rising up in the midst, asked Jesus, saying: Answerest thou nothing to the things that are laid to thy charge by these men?

61 But he held his peace, and answered nothing. Again the high priest asked him, and said to him: **Art thou the Christ the Son of the blessed God? 62 And Jesus said to him: *I am. And you shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of the power of God, and coming with the clouds of heaven. 63 Then the high priest rending his garments, saith: What need we any further witnesses? 64 You have heard the blasphemy. What think you? Who all condemned him to be guilty of death.

What about these other scriptutures? Are the from Allah and therefore true?

If any of these are not from Allah then how do you know which verses are and are not? Could you provide us a list of the false verses so we call adhere to the true teachings of God?
 
To me, a more important question would eb along these lines: if Allah is all-powerful (and He is), why would he not protect His Word from corruption by men? According to Muslims, He did with the Koran but not the Bible. That is crazy. In reality, He would have done both, assuming that both are His Word.

However, we know that the two works conflict with each other on several accounts. Therefore, one must be right and the other wrong, in other words, one must be inspired and the other not. Now, which is which?

Is there logic in saying that the first work was not the work of God and the second was? Not really. Why have any correct information in it at all? How was there any correct information if the Bible if the Bible was not a work of Devine Inspiration? So, the second work must not be inspired. Now, that does not mean that there is no truth in it? No. There is. A good deal of Truth in it is similar to that which was revealed already to the Jews and Christians, and there are some insights that Arabian philosophers added. However, if the facts of the two books are different, both cannot be 100% Truth.

Why would God not protect the Bible from corruption?

If I was starting a new religion, the first thing that I would teach is that GOd gave me the revelation and authority. The second is that all faiths before me fell from the correct path and I am here to correct it.
 
if torah,psalms&gospel sent by allah(muslims believe that) then why allah sent a new book as quran when torah,psalms&gospel altered(muslims claim)?why allah didn’t send those previous books again?did allah forget wat he said in those books?if yes then its clear that allah is a weak god with very weak memory,lol.
 
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