Bible for presentation to King Edward VII

[paarsurrey]

Hi

I understand that at the time of coronation of King Edward VII, an Authorized Version of New Testament was presented to him consisting on about 60 books in one binding cover , the normal 27 books plus extra .

“When the British and Foreign Bible Society undertook to provide the copy of the bible for presentation to King Edward VII at his coronation in 1902, the Archbishop of Canterbury (Frederick Temple) ruled that a ‘mutilated bible’ (one lacking the Apocrypha) was unacceptable for the purpose, and as the Society was prevented by its constitution from providing a ‘non mutilated’ edition, a suitable copy has to be procured at short notice from another source. “

F.F. Bruce: The Canon of Scripture, p. 113

Any comments

Thanks

 

[patrick457]

Hi

I understand that at the time of coronation of King Edward VII, an Authorized Version of New Testament was presented to him consisting on about 60 books in one binding cover , the normal 27 books plus extra .

Any comments

Thanks

Could you clarify here? The quote mentions that King Edward VII was given a Bible and not just a copy of the NT. Plus there are no mention of how many NT books there are in the quote.

EDIT: I tried to search the internet for any sources and I noticed you (or someone with the same username as you) posted this very same question on another forum (I will not mention where).

 

[Zooey]

“When the British and Foreign Bible Society undertook to provide the copy of the bible for presentation to King Edward VII at his coronation in 1902, the Archbishop of Canterbury (Frederick Temple) ruled that a ‘mutilated bible’ (one lacking the Apocrypha) was unacceptable for the purpose, and as the Society was prevented by its constitution from providing a ‘non mutilated’ edition, a suitable copy has to be procured at short notice from another source. “

F.F. Bruce: The Canon of Scripture, p. 113

The Church of England accepts the longer (Alexandrian) canon of Scriptures.
The Bible Societies at that time, were the ones who were promoting the use of the shorter (Palestinian) canon.
Therefore, the Bible of the British monarch are, of necessity, required to contain at least 73 books. Because Edward VII was head of the Church of England.

 

[paarsurrey]

The Church of England accepts the longer (Alexandrian) canon of Scriptures.
The Bible Societies at that time, were the ones who were promoting the use of the shorter (Palestinian) canon.
Therefore, the Bible of the British monarch are, of necessity, required to contain at least 73 books. Because Edward VII was head of the Church of England.

Hi Zooey!

Thank you for your response. I thought nobody was interested in this thread.

How would you count for the 73 books? Presently the NT is only of 27 books. Have you added up 39 books of the OT? or someother calculations.

Thanks

 

[Zooey]

drbo.org/

This has the Douay Rheims online; the list of books is Alexandrian canon of the entire Bible, including the Old Tedstament.
This is a Catholic translation, which was first printed at the ssame time as the 'Authorized" (actually King James) version…It was called “authorized” only because it was the first Bible in English which was produced with the permisision and approval of the English monarch.

 

[patrick457]

Hi Zooey!

Thank you for your response. I thought nobody was interested in this thread.

How would you count for the 73 books? Presently the NT is only of 27 books. Have you added up 39 books of the OT? or someother calculations.

Thanks

Here’s a simple mnemonic for the books of the Bible (The 73-Book version, I don’t know any mnemonics for the 66-Book version):

73 is equals 72+1.

Invert the numbers of 72 and you get 27 (the number of NT Books).
Subtract 27 from 72 and you get 45. Add the 1 and you get 46 (The number of the OT Books).

So for the number of the books, we add up the NT Books (27) and the OT Books (46) together and we get 73.

So yes, 73 Books are the OT and NT counted together.

 

[paarsurrey]

Here’s a simple mnemonic for the books of the Bible (The 73-Book version, I don’t know any mnemonics for the 66-Book version):
73 is equals 72+1.
Invert the numbers of 72 and you get 27 (the number of NT Books).
Subtract 27 from 72 and you get 45. Add the 1 and you get 46 (The number of the OT Books).
So for the number of the books, we add up the NT Books (27) and the OT Books (46) together and we get 73.
So yes, 73 Books are the OT and NT counted together.

Hi

I think, I should share with you and my other friends here as to how this quest for knowledge got started with me, so that the information is got researched by us all.

I was reading one of the books of the PromisedMessiah 1838-1908 in Urdu titled “ Chashma-e-Masihi” published in 1906, it was mentioned in it that at the time of coronation of King Edward VII, a version of New Testament was presented to him consisting on about 60 (4 gospels+ 56) books in one binding cover (normally it consist on 27 books) . The PromisedMessiah 1838-1908 also mentioned that he had in his possession one such NT Bible.

Now this started my quest for knowledge, I made a search in wikipedia and at other places, but I got nothing.

Since I write on many forums, I asked my friends here and at other forum to provide a reference of it, if it was in their knowledge.

One of my friends on another forum replied:

When the British and Foreign Bible Society undertook to provide the copy of the bible for presentation to King Edward VII at his coronation in 1902, the Archbishop of Canterbury (Frederick Temple) ruled that a ‘mutilated bible’ (one lacking the Apocrypha) was unacceptable for the purpose, and as the Society was prevented by its constitution from providing a ‘non mutilated’ edition, a suitable copy has to be procured at short notice from another source.

F.F. Bruce, The Canon of Scripture, p. 113
amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/083081258X/internetinfidels

Paarsurrey again asked.

Is it possible for you to PM me a copy of page. 113 of the above quoted book?

The Friend replied

Sorry - I don’t have that book. I picked up the quote from an Amazon review.

But you can review F.F. Bruce’s “History of the Bible in English” on Google Books here.

It appears that the controversy over the Apocrypha happened in the 18th and 19th centuries.

For the above quote
Preview this book “History of the Bible in English”
By Frederick Fyvie Bruce

books.google.com/books?id=cgL5JO0hm9AC&pg=PA111&lpg=PA111&dq=mutilated+bible+apocrypha&source=web&ots=xpBCsiZu9-&sig=aNG0CJ0k9ZQaAKj_7G6O7n16Xy4

I think the matter is now somewhat clarified. The sixty books should belong to NTBible and for the counting books of the OTBible should not be included , I think.

Thanks

 

[paarsurrey]

Hi

Just to refresh the thread.

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