Bible Quote

[Pecheur]

Many years ago in college, a person brought a bible verse in which claims the sould does not enter the body until the 40th day or so. I have searched for this and believe it exists in a non-Catholic bible. Does anyone know if this is true or not? If so, what version is it in and where? Thanks P

 

[exoflare]

Pecheur:

Many years ago in college, a person brought a bible verse in which claims the sould does not enter the body until the 40th day or so. I have searched for this and believe it exists in a non-Catholic bible. Does anyone know if this is true or not? If so, what version is it in and where? Thanks P

Well, it seems your college buddy didn’t offer the specific verse and translation… I wonder why.

Although, fair warning, some modern-day Bible translations have had stuff added to them. Like the American Evangelical ones that mention Noah’s son’s skin being darkened on top of being proclaimed a slave to his brother… of course used as a way to justify enslavement of black people at the time.

 

[AnAtheist]

Pecheur:

Many years ago in college, a person brought a bible verse in which claims the sould does not enter the body until the 40th day or so. I have searched for this and believe it exists in a non-Catholic bible. Does anyone know if this is true or not? If so, what version is it in and where? Thanks P

Thomas of Aquin teached, that a male fetus becomes human after 40 days, a female after 80 days. Perhaps he was referring to that.

 

[MonicaC]

AnAtheist:

Thomas of Aquin teached, that a male fetus becomes human after 40 days, a female after 80 days. Perhaps he was referring to that.

I have never heard this can you give a referance to where you read this?

 

[AnAtheist]

MonicaC:

I have never heard this can you give a referance to where you read this?

I believe it is mentioned in “Thomas of Aquin, Quaestiones Disputatae, de anima”, but I am not sure about that, might be in “summa contra gentiles”. Thomas has more or less copied the teaching of Aristoteles on that matter.

»Aristotle says that the movement of the male occurs about the fortieth day, and that of the female about the ninetieth, and later that a male embryo was well formed and about the size of an ant. On this basis St. Thomas takes it that the development of the male embryo is completed about the fortieth day.«

 

[MonicaC]

AnAtheist:

I believe it is mentioned in “Thomas of Aquin, Quaestiones Disputatae, de anima”, but I am not sure about that, might be in “summa contra gentiles”. Thomas has more or less copied the teaching of Aristoteles on that matter.

Originally Posted by Huby, P.; “Some thirteen century problems”, p119:
»Aristotle says that the movement of the male occurs about the fortieth day, and that of the female about the ninetieth, and later that a male embryo was well formed and about the size of an ant. On this basis St. Thomas takes it that the development of the male embryo is completed about the fortieth day.«
Thank You for your response, But being a Mother and having seen both my children in utro at ten weeks old I would have to disagree with Aristotle, (that"s funny I never dreamed I would ever say that ) But both my son and my daughter were active at 10 weeks my daughter way more than my son, but both had excellent reflexes. A very beautiful thing for a mother to see.

 

[Sacramentalist]

All the arguments against the swoon theory presuppose that the entirety of the Gospel of John is both historically accurate and infallible. It seems foolish to me to refute to the swoon theory by appealing to Christian propoganda.

 

[Liberian]

AnAtheist:

I believe it is mentioned in “Thomas of Aquin, Quaestiones Disputatae, de anima”, but I am not sure about that, might be in “summa contra gentiles”. Thomas has more or less copied the teaching of Aristoteles on that matter.
Quote:
Originally Posted by ** Huby, P.; “Some thirteen century problems”, p119:**
»Aristotle says that the movement of the male occurs about the fortieth day, and that of the female about the ninetieth, and later that a male embryo was well formed and about the size of an ant. On this basis St. Thomas takes it that the development of the male embryo is completed about the fortieth day.«

AnAtheist,

This is quite distinct from “becoming human” after forty or eighty days. Also you may want to check out …

firstthings.com/ftissues/ft9811/opinion/nolan.html

• Liberian

 

[NotWorthy]

MonicaC:

Thank You for your response, But being a Mother and having seen both my children in utro at ten weeks old I would have to disagree with Aristotle, (that"s funny I never dreamed I would ever say that ) But both my son and my daughter were active at 10 weeks my daughter way more than my son, but both had excellent reflexes. A very beautiful thing for a mother to see.

So I guess you had a “womb with a view”? OK, you can start groaning now.
Sorry 'bout that.

Notworthy

 

[thessalonian]

AnAtheist:

Thomas of Aquin teached, that a male fetus becomes human after 40 days, a female after 80 days. Perhaps he was referring to that.

Aquinas and Augustine believe that ensoulment happened at 40 days. They had no science to back it up and it was not Church dogma. It was still a sin to abort a child prior to that time but the penalty was increased after 40 days.

 

[Pecheur]

The reason that I ask is that I thought I saw it in the bible, a version that was not approved by the Catholic Church.

 

[promethius]

ah well, see, theres a simple solution to the question…

the person found this “verse” in a non catholic, non approved translation of the Bible. Therefore, if the verse doesnt check out with the approved catholic Bible, it is innacurately translated and therefore is to be disregarded.

as to aquinas, augustine, aristotle, et al… philosophers, scientists and theologians are not protected by the Holy Spirit to teach infallably. as such, their word is not binding on the church, particularly where church doctrine shows that they are in error.