Bible Study based on the Catechism?

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I would like to get bible study resources which compare scripture with the Catechism of the church.

The Catechism book itself is able to do this because of the bible reference index it has at the end of it, but this is quite cumbersome turning pages in my bible and then flicking to the catechism’s index and finally finding the catholic interpretation of the verse some 10 minutes later, and then going on to the next verse.

Does anyone know of a good catechism referring bible study? or study bible?
 
I don’t know if this is what you are looking for but Our Sunday Visitor has a booklet called Opening the Sunday Scripture or similar title which has the cites for the Sunday lectionary readings, and CCC references for the various topics that relate to those readings. It is a resource for RCIA catechists.

could you not just photocopy the bible reference pages in the back of the CCC and use them along with your reading? by the way, get the companion volume to the catechism for a lot more on the scriptural and church docs used in compiling the CCC.

Where is that in the Bible by Patrick Madrid is a great shorhand booklet on scriptural references for specific doctrinal points. More in depth (an actual college course) is Steve Kellmeyers Bible Basics.
 
If you just go through the catechism from beginning to end, and actually look up all the Biblical references, that’s a Bible study in itself.
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I don’t know if this is what you are looking for but Our Sunday Visitor has a booklet called Opening the Sunday Scripture or similar title which has the cites for the Sunday lectionary readings, and CCC references for the various topics that relate to those readings. It is a resource for RCIA catechists.
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could you not just photocopy the bible reference pages in the back of the CCC and use them along with your reading?** by the way, get the companion volume to the catechism for a lot more on the scriptural and church docs used in compiling the CCC.

Where is that in the Bible by Patrick Madrid is a great shorhand booklet on scriptural references for specific doctrinal points. More in depth (an actual college course) is Steve Kellmeyers Bible Basics.
uhh I never thought of that actually… good idea!
 
Here’s one from the Coming Home Network-

chnetwork.org/readguide04.pdf

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Hi Subrosa

The wehsite offers a Programme for reading the Bible and the CCC in 1-year. - Not a cross reference.

I** think the Bible-CCC cross reference study is excellent and am unable to find it anywhere. So I thought of developing it.

Appreciate everyone read my thread “Project-RSV-CCC” and let me know if it interest you to participate. Since posting, I have not received any response.**
 
Be careful basing your conclusion on the Inspired Word of God (the Bible) and what is in the Catechism. Often when studying the Bible, and cross-referencing the catechism, it appears to me that the vatican added to scripture when it should have kept silent. For instance, nothing is said about any flesh and blood person being taken up into heaven. Enoch walked with God in Genesis and was taken up by God. God being a spirit in a spirit realm (heaven), it would stand to reason that Enoch was transfigured into a spiritual being in order to reside in heaven. Elijah taken up in a fiery chariot, the same conclusion stands. Even Jesus was transfigured when he left to earth for heaven. Yet, the Catholic Church teaches that Mary (the earthly mother of Jesus) was taken into heaven “body and soul”. John 4:24 “God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”
This quote is from the NKJV. The same is true about Purgatory. Nowhere in the New Testament is the mention of Purgatory. In Luke 16:19-31 is the parable of lazarus and the rich man. The rich man went to Hades and Lazarus to paradise. The rich man was tormented by fire (v.24), he wanted a drop of water from lazarus but there was a great gulf between them (Paradise and Hades) (v.26). There is only torment (Hades) and peace and bliss (Paradise). None can pass from one to the other (V.26) See what I mean?
 
Hi Steel Arrow

Welcome to the CA Forum discussion.
I noticed that you have several questions and comments rolled into one paragaraph. I shall attempt to offer my view accordingly.

Some Christians leave the RCC to join other Christian Communitied.

Be careful basing your conclusion on the Inspired Word of God (the Bible) and what is in the Catechism”

Roman Catholics are extremely fortunate to have the Pope and his Bishops (The Magisterium) to guide the People of God to the Truth revealed by God.

Its is unfortunate that som Roman Catholics leave the RC Church for some other Christian Communities. This is probably due to one or a combination of the following (Not a comprehensive list)
-* Being hurt by some leaders in the RC Church
  • Lack of so-called “Christian Fellowship”
  • Lack of in-depth study of the Christian Faith, its Source and the Early Church Fathers etc
  • Thinking that what the RC Church advocate is inaccurate (Due to influence by others, subjective interpretation of Sacred Scriptures)*
This is unfortunate; because they are leaving from a Solid Pillar of Truth to be influenced by some :Charismatic men" who break-away from the Curch founded by Christ and handed down through Peter and an Apostolic succession to lead humanity back to the fold…

To every objection by a Non-Catholic Christian, the Roman Catholic Church has an explanation to “Why we believe in What we believe”

Roman Catholics believe in “SOLA Dei verbum” not “Sola scriptura” i.e.
The WORD of God” not “The Bible alone” as its source and teaching of Truths.

The Roman Catholic Church is a haven for sinners aspiring to be Saints. Admittedly, she has over the centuries many “unholy” leaders ans shepherds; yet she has not beed overcome by satan and has be protected by Christ to overcome satan. This is unlike the many “churches” formed and faded away in the centuries. The teachings of the RC Church has been consisten throughout the centuries. It is unfortunate that som teachings have been misquoted and misinterpreted….AND in the fullness of time, under the guidance of the Holy Spirit the RC Church has been blessed with the CATECHIEM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH… putting teachings into a Book to guide Pastors and the laity.

I recommend listening to EWTN statellite network or CA Radio. Also this website may be helpful.

chnetwork.org/The Journey Home
– Marcus Grodi

mindspring.com/~jdarcy/files/drhahn.html
Dr Scott Hahn- Articles etc.
scotthahn.com/
Dr. Scott Hahn
www.salvationhistory.com

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"]Often when studying the Bible, and cross-referencing the catechism, it appears to me that the vatican added to scripture when it should have kept silent. For instance, nothing is said about any flesh and blood person being taken up into heaven. Enoch walked with God in Genesis and was taken up by God. God being a spirit in a spirit realm (heaven), it would stand to reason that Enoch was transfigured into a spiritual being in order to reside in heaven. Elijah taken up in a fiery chariot, the same conclusion stands. Even Jesus was transfigured when he left to earth for heaven. Yet, the Catholic Church teaches that Mary (the earthly mother of Jesus) was taken into heaven “body and soul”.

Your unhappiness here appears be:
“the Catholic Church teaches that Mary (the earthly mother of Jesus) was taken into heaven “body and soul”.
You have interpreted Scripture verses and offered some teachine (God being a spirit in a spirit realm (heaven, it would stand to reason that Enoch was transfigured into a spiritual being in order to reside in heaven. Elijah taken up in a fiery chariot, the same conclusion stands…)
  • I assume that this is an interpretation/teaching, which you learnt from you Pastor (I suggesty you trace the education of your pastor. It is probably from a Protestant Seminary and so-called “Inspiration from the Holy Spirit” Go way back and search into the history of the Church as to its date of formation breack-up etc…
Speaking of “Inspiration by the Holy Spirit”
– think for a moment.
Is there something strange about the Holy Spirit since everyone is “Inspired by it, yet interprete the Scriptures in different ways and start so-many “break away Christian churches today?”.

Has Jesus; Prayer for unity in John’s gospel not heard by His Father?

We must not interprete Sacred Scripture out-of-context of its “Book” and in relation to the Bible as a whole.

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Here is a Roman Catholic understanding . ,

oh.essortment.com/assumptionbless_rrbi.htm

On November 1, 1950 Pope Pius XII announced that the Roman Catholic Church was adopting as dogma the Assumption of Mary. His address, “Munificentissimus Deus”, was delivered before 50,000 faithful in St. Peter’s Square. The dogma states that Mary, the mother of Jesus, is more than just a saint of the Church or a hero of faith. The Assumption is a declaration of faith in the assumption of Mary, body and soul, into Heaven.

The Assumption became a feast day celebrated by the Church every year. What it brings to mind is the height to which the Church has elevated this special woman. This revelation did not just occur to Pope Pius XII in 1950. Rather, his announcement made formal what had been believed for centuries. The beliefs about Mary go beyond assumption and include doctrines about her Immaculate Conception; she was born free from sin, her perpetual virginity and her action as co-redeemer with Christ.

Whereas non-Catholic Christianity tends to view the Bible as God’s last revelation to mankind, the Roman Catholic Church sees itself as an instrument of God receiving new revelations from the Holy Spirit. So this new revelation about Mary was confirmed in 1950 without a visible ripple. The doctrine of the Assumption fits right in to orthodox Catholic thinking.

The term “assumption” does not appear in the Bible but Enoch and Elijah went to be with God without experiencing death. Bishop Theoteknos of Livias (c. 550-650) was one Catholic theologian who believed that Mary, above all, deserved at least the same treatment. In his sermon he states:

"For Christ took His immaculate flesh from the immaculate flesh of Mary; and if He had prepared a place in heaven for the Apostles, how much more for His mother. If Enoch had been translated and Elijah had gone to heaven, how much more Mary, who like the moon in the midst of the stars shines forth and excels among the prophets and Apostles?

For even though her God-bearing body tasted death, it did not undergo corruption, but was preserved incorrupt and undefiled and taken up into heaven with its pure and spotless soul."
So Mary is above and beyond anyone who ever lived with the exception of her son, Jesus. It is a firm belief among Catholics that from her conception, Mary was free of original sin, the sin that we all inherit from Adam. The angel Gabriel, in announcing to Mary her imminent pregnancy, called her “highly favored one” “the Lord is with you” and “blessed are you among women”. So Mary is chosen to be the mother of God incarnate, through a virgin birth by the power of the Holy Spirit.

No one knows exactly where, when or how Mary died. Apostolic Tradition Points to a time between three and fifteen years after the Ascension of Jesus. There are conflicting claims as to her place of death, either Jerusalem or Ephesus. There is a tomb of Mary in Jerusalem but it only became known after the sixth century AD. St. Juvenal, Bishop of Jerusalem let it be known in 451 that Mary died in the presence of all the Apostles. Her tomb was opened at the request of St. Thomas (did he doubt that she was there?) and found to be empty. The Apostles concluded that she had been taken up to Heaven, body and soul.

There are some apocryphal writings from the early church that mention the Assumption of Mary but most of these documents are flawed and suspect. There is a letter bearing the name of St. John which mentions Mary’s bodily assumption into Heaven but it has been dated to the fourth or fifth century AD. “De Transitu Virginis”, a letter falsely ascribed to St. Denis the Areopagite, also mentions it. Genuine writings from St. Andrew of Crete, St. John of Damascene and others also make mention of Mary’s bodily assumption. Sermons previously attributed to St. Jerome and St. Augustine that support the Assumption have been shown to be counterfeit.

The belief in Mary’s bodily assumption is universal in eastern and western Catholic Churches of today. Why wasn’t the Assumption a part of Catholic doctrine long ago? Why was it adopted so long after the fact? Catholic apologists say that the early Church had too many questions to resolve surrounding who Christ was and what He meant to us and did not have a particular set of doctrines to deal with Mary until many of the other questions were dealt with.

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Asssumption of the BVM

The Church evolved an entire theology surrounding Mary. She got new names: Blessed Virgin, Mother of God, Immaculate Mother, Queen of Heaven, Queen of Angels, among many others. The doctrine of The Immaculate Conception defines Mary as conceived without original sin and having lived a sinless life. She is the New Eve, perpetually a virgin. Through the Rosary, she is prayed to and Mary is sought as the intercessor between the faithful and Jesus. Would Jesus say no to his mother? At the wedding at Cana (John 2), Jesus obeyed his mother when she asked him to make wine.

All of these beliefs about Mary form the basis from which belief in the Assumption grew. Mary stood at the foot of Jesus’ cross when all of the disciples, save John, had fled. She was with the Apostles at Pentecost when the gift of the Holy Spirit was given. Mary shared in the most intimate details of Jesus life: His birth, life, death and resurrection.

Catholics generally believe, those that take the trouble to investigate it, that the promises of Christ as far as eternal life and resurrection of the body were fulfilled in Mary. If Mary was free of original sin, then she should not have had to suffer the consequences of that sin, namely, death. There is ongoing debate as to whether Mary ever died or was just “assumed” into God’s presence. If she died was that unjust? Did she share in Jesus bodily resurrection and glorification at her death?

The National Conference of Catholic Bishops said in their 1973 letter: “Behold Your Mother,” “Christ has risen from the dead, we need no further assurance of our faith. Mary assumed into heaven serves rather as a gracious reminder to the Church that our Lord wishes all whom the Father has given Him to be raised with Him. In Mary taken to glory, to union with Christ, the Church sees herself answering the invitation of the heavenly Bridegroom.”

At the heart of the belief in the Assumption is a deep unconditional love and devotion for Mary. Devotees have trouble accepting the fact that at her death her body would have suffered corruption in a grave. The reward for what she did and the role she played must be higher than the rest of us get and so, the Assumption is her reward as well as life everlasting with her Son, the Savior.

The Feast of the Assumption, celebrated August 15, every year is a reminder of the faith and obedience of Mary in saying “yes” to God. She and Joseph faithfully raised the young man Jesus so as to prepare him for ministry. She stood by him throughout his life and death and is receiving a just reward.

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John 4:24 “God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.” This quote is from the NKJV.

If we choose to interprete this verse in itsely ONLY… can can also come to a conclusion that … since God is Spirit and Truth… He is everywhere in spirit… we are free and do not need to be Worship in a Community in Church…… and just stay home or anywhere to worship Him…since He is Spirit?.. we too have a spiritual soul … and hence like the NEW AGERS… we are all GODS!!!..…

Allow me to recommend to you 2 excellent books for your study, if you have not read them.

Theology fro Beginnersd-
by F.J. Sheed, Servant Books and

**Making Sense of Scriptures **
by Mark P. Shea, Basilica Press.

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“The same is true about Purgatory. Nowhere in the New Testament is the mention of Purgatory. In Luke 16:19-31 is the parable of lazarus and the rich man. The rich man went to Hades and Lazarus to paradise. The rich man was tormented by fire (v.24), he wanted a drop of water from lazarus but there was a great gulf between them (Paradise and Hades) (v.26). There is only torment (Hades) and peace and bliss (Paradise). None can pass from one to the other (V.26) See what I mean?”

scripturecatholic.com/index.html
John Salza –Catholic Lawyer, apologist, author

There is a good Scriptural section – inference to Purgatory / Hell., in addition to this comment on the particular verse.

***Luke 16:19-31 - in this story, we see that the dead rich man is suffering but still feels compassion for his brothers and wants to warn them of his place of suffering. But there is no suffering in heaven or compassion in hell because compassion is a grace from God and those in hell are deprived from God’s graces for all eternity. So where is the rich man? He is in purgatory. (TRADITIONALLY = HELL)

**CCC **
1869 Thus sin makes men accomplices of one another and causes concupiscence, violence, and injustice to reign among them. Sins give rise to social situations and institutions that are contrary to the divine goodness. “Structures of sin” are the expression and effect of personal sins. They lead their victims to do evil in their turn. In an analogous sense, they constitute a “social sin.” 144

2831 But the presence of those who hunger because they lack bread opens up another profound meaning of this petition. The drama of hunger in the world calls Christians who pray sincerely to exercise responsibility toward their brethren, both in their personal behavior and in their solidarity with the human family. This petition of the Lord’s Prayer cannot be isolated from the parables of the poor man Lazarus and of the Last Judgment. 118

John’s subsequent comments /U]
the traditional view is that the rich man is in hell. I offered the verse to demonstrate the possibility that he is in purgatory because he is having compassion on his brothers, and those in hell don’t have compassion for anyone. Either view is acceptable because the Church has not told us which one is correct. In my book, when I cite this verse in my chapter on purgatory, I say that purgatory is one plausible explanation, and hell is the other.

Also, it is not true that God doesn’t have mercy after death. The state of purgatory is the very mercy of God, after death! If God didn’t have mercy after death, then anyone who died with mere venial sin or punishments still owed to God would never go to heaven. They would go to hell. Yes, when we die, we are immediately subject to Christ’s judgment. This judgment determines whether we go to heaven or hell. If heaven, we may need to go to purgatory for final expiation before entering heavenly bliss.

catholic.com/thisrock/2005/0511sbs.asp
Catholic Answers search- Is Purgatory found in the Bible?

stmarymacclenny.com/fatherJstory.htm
Read this Personal Testomony of Life After Death by a Catholic Priest

**Eventually, it is not important is you choose to accept or deny a “Time for Purgation before meeting the Creator” The FACT remains that if it is an objective Truth, it remains. At the Eventual end however, it is a state of Heaven or Hell. **

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Be careful basing your conclusion on the Inspired Word of God (the Bible) and what is in the Catechism. Often when studying the Bible, and cross-referencing the catechism, it appears to me that the vatican added to scripture when it should have kept silent. For instance, nothing is said about any flesh and blood person being taken up into heaven. Enoch walked with God in Genesis and was taken up by God. God being a spirit in a spirit realm (heaven), it would stand to reason that Enoch was transfigured into a spiritual being in order to reside in heaven. Elijah taken up in a fiery chariot, the same conclusion stands. Even Jesus was transfigured when he left to earth for heaven. Yet, the Catholic Church teaches that Mary (the earthly mother of Jesus) was taken into heaven “body and soul”. John 4:24 “God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”
This quote is from the NKJV. The same is true about Purgatory. Nowhere in the New Testament is the mention of Purgatory. In Luke 16:19-31 is the parable of lazarus and the rich man. The rich man went to Hades and Lazarus to paradise. The rich man was tormented by fire (v.24), he wanted a drop of water from lazarus but there was a great gulf between them (Paradise and Hades) (v.26). There is only torment (Hades) and peace and bliss (Paradise). None can pass from one to the other (V.26) See what I mean?
Your Sola Scriptura belief is showing too much here. Catholics understand that their church is the church which actually put together the New Testament.

The catchecism does not add to the bible at all, it simply explains it from the catholic point of view. It gives an explination as to why we are supposed to pray for the dead(which the bible tells us to do), If they go to heaven or Hell they ain’t gonna leave it, so why are we supposed to pray for their wellbeing in that life like the bible says? The Catholic Church concluded, mostly because of passages in the Deutrocanon(which protestants don’t accept for biased reasons) which indicated there is a third place, that logically the author of that peice of the bible indicated that there is a place where prayers for a souls well being are heard by the soul and help it to become clean enough to pass on to paradise(Nothing unclean will enter the sight of god). This is not called adding, this is called Interpreting.

It also explains that Catholics understand their church existed before the bible was compiled by them. Therefore there is another dimension to their belief in god, the belief that the apostles were the real point of reference for revelation and NOT just the book they helped write. Some of the things the Apostles therefore believed but never thought to write down(after all they didn’t know they were writing the Bible) were carried down through tradition.
 
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