Bible verses--Catholic vs. Protestant

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I’m a convert and I keep finding odd little differences between the ways Protestants and Catholics do things.

I won’t even begin to discuss how in older Catholic Bibles the characters often have different names from those I’m familiar with (Noe rather than Noah, Isaias rather than Isaiah, etc.).

But two things often throw me: 1) Catholics sometimes refer to a numbered Bible book–say 1 Kings (The First Book of Kings) as “One Kings” as opposed to “First Kings;” 2) Catholics often divide chapter and verse citations with commas instead of colons: “John 3,16,” as opposed to “John 3:16.”

Is there any particular reason for these differences?

Of course, I’m always irked when people refer to a court case as “Roe vee Wade,” instead of “Roe versus Wade.” Just a matter of taste, I guess.
 
Hipster_Doofus said:
I won’t even begin to discuss how in older Catholic Bibles the characters often have different names from those I’m familiar with (Noe rather than Noah, Isaias rather than Isaiah, etc.).
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The names are different in the Douay-Rheims because it uses the Latin, rather than the Hebrew names. Any newer Catholic Bible has the same names as Protestant Bibles.
But two things often throw me: 1) Catholics sometimes refer to a numbered Bible book–say 1 Kings (The First Book of Kings) as “One Kings” as opposed to “First Kings;” 2) Catholics often divide chapter and verse citations with commas instead of colons: “John 3,16,” as opposed to “John 3:16.”
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Is there any particular reason for these differences?
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  1. I have never heard the book called “One Kings”. In Mass, it would be “A reading from the First Book of Kings”, not “A reading from One Kings”. 2) John 3.16 (or John 3,16) would be the older way of denoting the chapter and verse. I have a 1611 Edition KJV which uses the older numbering system. It’s not a Catholic thing, it’s an older system. The older system used either a period or comma instead of a colon.
 
lak611 said:
The names are different in the Douay-Rheims because it uses the Latin, rather than the Hebrew names. Any newer Catholic Bible has the same names as Protestant Bibles.
  1. I have never heard the book called “One Kings”. In Mass, it would be “A reading from the First Book of Kings”, not “A reading from One Kings”. 2) John 3.16 (or John 3,16) would be the older way of denoting the chapter and verse. I have a 1611 Edition KJV which uses the older numbering system. It’s not a Catholic thing, it’s an older system. The older system used either a period or comma instead of a colon.
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It’s actually a European thing. In a lot of European countries commas are used instead of colons.
 
Semper_Fi said:
It’s actually a European thing. In a lot of European countries commas are used instead of colons.
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Well, that makes sense. The Douay-Rheims and KJV were European. Actually, I just looked at my NEB (which is British), and although it was published in 1972, it still uses the periods (or full stops, as they would say).
 
Actually, I should mention that it’s only on Relevant Radio that I hear people say “One Peter” and so forth, as opposed to “First Peter.” I don’t think I’ve heard it anywhere else.

I just assumed it was a Catholic quirk, likes saying “dekkids” for “decades.”
 
totally european, commas are used instead of periods for numbers, for example 3.1415 = 3, 1415 or they use space 3 1415
 
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Of course, I’m always irked when people refer to a court case as “Roe vee Wade,” instead of “Roe versus Wade.” Just a matter of taste, I guess.
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Oh yeah. In Oz it’s actually Roe and Wade, or Roe against Wade.
At least that’s what I was taught. I don’t think it’s taste - the v does stand for something after all!
 
Dr_M said:
totally european, commas are used instead of periods for numbers, for example 3.1415 = 3, 1415 or they use space 3 1415
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I do remember that. The last comma in a series is also dropped. For instance, in the US, we would write “a, b, and c.” In Europe, the same phrase would be written as “a, b and c.”
 
Some press association style books, like that of the Associated Press, are opposed to the serial comma–the “a,b, and c” form-- but to me the serial comma makes more sense.

Another Catholic practice that always throws me is the 12 men Jesus gathered around him are called “apostles,” while Protestants call them “disciples,” and reserved “apostles” as the name for the folks that evangelized after Christ–some of whom may have started out as “disciples.”

And I’m still thrown by “religious” being used as a noun and not just an adjective. I keep wanting to say, “‘Religious’ what?”

And I still don’t understand why there aren’t beads for every prayer on the rosary, why you have to use the chain for some things. I would think it would be easier to remember if there were beads for every single thing.
 
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And I’m still thrown by “religious” being used as a noun and not just an adjective. I keep wanting to say, “‘Religious’ what?”

And I still don’t understand why there aren’t beads for every prayer on the rosary, why you have to use the chain for some things. I would think it would be easier to remember if there were beads for every single thing.
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Religious brother or religious sister 🙂

And the beads for the Rosary? eh, I see what you mean.

I never use the chain myself, just say the ‘glory be’ and ‘o my jesus’ of one decade on the single bead and then start teh next decade with its ‘Our Father’ on the same single bead. It’s nice to have the end of one decade and the beginning of the next on the same bead, like the Rosary is cyclical.
 
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And I still don’t understand why there aren’t beads for every prayer on the rosary, why you have to use the chain for some things. I would think it would be easier to remember if there were beads for every single thing.
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I’ve seen “one prayer per bead” rosaries; Crucifix, 1 bead, 3 beads, 1 bead, medal, bead, 10 beads, 2 beads, 10 beads, 2 beads, 10 beads, 2 beads, 10 beads, 2 beads, 10 beads, bead, back to medal. PM me if you want me to put you in contact with a rosary maker… I know one, does good work. Crystal beads.

They’re rare, but they can be found.

Likewise, various other sets of prayer beads are in use: Doler Beads (sp?), like my mother used in the convent; Chotkis, as used in the various Slavonic-Byzantine rites (Russian, Ukranian and Ruthenian, and some others), and prayer ropes (Greek and Slavic Byzantines).
 
“I never use the chain myself, just say the ‘glory be’ and ‘o my jesus’ of one decade on the single bead and then start teh next decade with its ‘Our Father’ on the same single bead. It’s nice to have the end of one decade and the beginning of the next on the same bead, like the Rosary is cyclical.”

See, LilyM, if I used a single bead for two functions I’d get completely lost. I often get lost while I’ve got my finger on a bead, not remembering if I’m on that bead or the one in front of it or behind it.
 
Hipster_Doofus said:
“I never use the chain myself, just say the ‘glory be’ and ‘o my jesus’ of one decade on the single bead and then start teh next decade with its ‘Our Father’ on the same single bead. It’s nice to have the end of one decade and the beginning of the next on the same bead, like the Rosary is cyclical.”

See, LilyM, if I used a single bead for two functions I’d get completely lost. I often get lost while I’ve got my finger on a bead, not remembering if I’m on that bead or the one in front of it or behind it.
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Just takes practice 😉

No chance of getting lost if you use an audio rosary. Or even a scriptural rosary - they have different scripture verses before each Hail Mary, so you won’t repeat one.

Give the ones at rosaryarmy.com a try.
 
I’ve used a scriptural rosary at adoration before and that went really well. I also have used a booklet–I forget the name–but it’s a reprint of one from the 1930s or thereabouts. It really walks you through things–for 150 decades.There’s even a picture for meditation purposes for every single decade. It really helps.
 
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