Bishop Thomas Gumbleton and the homosexual agenda

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MaryAgnes:
Do you think we should “toss” all the straight priests who have affairs with women (some of whom are married) too?
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There is a distinction in disorder between the two … but that is a discussion for the Moral Theology area which some good conversations on thsi very topic are being done.
 
I ended up voting “other”, but I guess the qualifier would be the word “active”. Actually, I believe the issue of any priest breaking the vow of celibacy - with either men or women - should be addressed. I’m not the one to say how it should be addressed, but I don’t think public humiliation is the answer. Therapy, prayer, removal from temptation, there are many options.
I also agree that just because a priest is suffering from SSA he should be counseled, but not “outed”. Not if he isn’t acting on it.

Pray for them.
 
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msproule:
Do you know something we don’t? So far, his letter of resignation has not been accepted. Sadly, I check the Vatican Information Service every day for the big announcement when it comes.
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I, for one, rue the day he retires. Can you image the damage that man can do if he ever had free time on his hands??

At least now there is some form of a leash with all the menial tasks Cardinal Maida has him doing.

I personnally think they should keep him on active duty and very busy; maybe McMurdo Station, Antartica has need of a bishop?
 
Maybe Anwar - isn’t that where all the caribou need his spellbinding philosophies?
 
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grotto:
Maybe Anwar - isn’t that where all the caribou need his spellbinding philosophies?
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I know the diocese of Whitehorse, Yukon is without a bishop, but I suggested McMurdow because the Indiginous Peoples there have suffered enough, and, to be perfectly honest, the thought of +Gumbleton occupying a See of any type, anywhere gives me the heebie-jeebies. :eek:
 
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Brendan:
I, for one, rue the day he retires. Can you image the damage that man can do if he ever had free time on his hands??
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It sure seems to me that he already has a lot of free time on his hands…he is so often away from his parish. I know we have had this discussion before!
I personnally think they should keep him on active duty and very busy; maybe McMurdo Station, Antartica has need of a bishop?
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I agree. However, I think he may already be there this week, protesting global warming…😃
 
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msproule:
Do you know something we don’t? So far, his letter of resignation has not been accepted. Sadly, I check the Vatican Information Service every day for the big announcement when it comes.

I think the two most recent Holy Fathers have been faced with the very dilemma that you hint at; If he is retired, then he is free to go where he wants when he wants. At least as an auxiliary Bishop, he still has some responsibilities and supervision.
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Thanks for that link. I just checked it and it says they take all of August off (at least they don’t schedule releases in August). So there is still hope that we will have some news by Labor Day. 🙂

I asked this question on another thread, but isn’t the Auxillary Bishop under the direct authority of the Pope, with day-to-day supervision the responsibilty of the Ordinary? If so, can’t the Holy Father send him off to spend time in a nice isolated monestary even if he accepts his retirement from ministry as an active Bishop? It seems he still would be under the vow of obedience, right?
 
Seeing Bishop Gumbleton’s statements in this thread, I can only say that this man is a blasphemer and a heretic. As a Heretic, he has absolutely no jurisdiction whatsoever even tho he is an ordained bishop. Heretics lose all jurisdiction WITHOUT you having to wait for the church to declare it so. I don’t know what makes me angrier, Gumbleton’s open and well known blasphemies and heresies, or the Vatican which refuses to do it’s job by removing this man from the episcopate. Love, Jaypeeto2
 
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Jaypeeto2:
I don’t know what makes me angrier, Gumbleton’s open and well known blasphemies and heresies, or the Vatican which refuses to do it’s job by removing this man from the episcopate. Love, Jaypeeto2
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I agree that I would have thought Gumbleton would have disciplined sometime in the past. Accountability is a big word for us but it is even a bigger word for the bishops.

Larry
 
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OhioBob:
This is a difficult poll because of the wording. I read “actively homosexual” as meaning non-celibate, living an open homosexual lifestyle. In that sense I voted “No”.

But in the case of ordained priests with SSA who are fulfilling their vows, I am uncertain how I would vote. It isn’t as clear cut to me. I do not feel that chaste priests with SSA should be outed and drummed out of the priesthood.

As to whether men with SSA should be ordained in the first place, I tend to think that they should not be, but I can see both sides of the issue.
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I tend to mostly agree with this. If a priest is living chastely, his sexual orientation shouldn’t matter.

As an aside, when I was in college, the priest at my local parish came “out of the closet” during a homily. He ended up requesting a sabbatical and was sent over to Detroit. I always felt bad about that because he was a good priest, and I had heard that Gumbleton tended to be, ah, liberal in these matters. The last I heard, this particular priest had abandoned his vows and left the priesthood. 😦
 
Even I, not really the most conservative catholic, think that Bishop Gumble’s remarks are out of order. What he has said truly is heresy. It is one thing to say that some changes should be made, but an entirely different thing to suggest that all homosexual church goers should come out. Bishop Gumble is not liberal, he’s just off track.

I have never before heard of Bishop Gumble, so is there any possibilty that the quotes in the post have been deliberately selected, as some of his more extreme?
 
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Libero:
I have never before heard of Bishop Gumble, so is there any possibilty that the quotes in the post have been deliberately selected, as some of his more extreme?
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Our apologies for making you dumber for having learned of him. You can read his homilies yourself here.

He tends to interweave his filth among some occasional good points and then reaches some inexplicable conclusion. It actually makes for some amusing reading. That is, if you typically follow such logic as 1+2=4.
 
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Libero:
I have never before heard of Bishop Gumble, so is there any possibilty that the quotes in the post have been deliberately selected, as some of his more extreme?
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No, Bishop Thomas J. Gumbleton is quite real, and the quotes are quite authentic.

He is an Auxiliary Bishop in my diocese (Detroit). He was ordained by Cardinal Dearden in 1968 and has been an Auxiliary Bishop ever since (no Pope has seen fit to install him to a See)

He came to my former parish once to give a talk on the accepting Homosexuals in parish life.

he and I debated for awhile, and during that debate, he refused to accept that homosexual acts were intrinsically depraved (see CCC 2357)

His general premise was that the Church can change the teachings on that.
 
More of the philosophy of Gumbleton.
From his own lips, a week or so ago.
In it he tells us that Jesus was “converted”. No kidding!
Then, he wants us to listen to women and take them seriously. (newspeak for women priestesses.)

Good, Bp Gumbleton. **You can start by listening to the greatest woman leader of all time…the Lady of Fatima. How well did you listen to Lucia, Jacinta?
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Like I’ve said a zillion times, Liberals live in contradiction and have no qualms of conscience in doing so.

You can smell a Liberal when they start sprinkling “mystery” all over their new theological “insights”.
 
According to the Bible:“If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.” [Leviticus 20:13 (New International Version)]
 
Good, Bp Gumbleton. You can start by listening to the greatest woman leader of all time…the Lady of Fatima. How well did you listen to Lucia, Jacinta?
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Like I’ve said a zillion times, Liberals live in contradiction and have no qualms of conscience in doing so.
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You can smell a Liberal when they start sprinkling “mystery” all over their new theological “insights”.
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Here I am unsure, I think that gumbleton is beyond liberal, he is an extreme liberal.

Also there is no saense in people here attacking him, so what, he has a different view to yours, accept that. You think he sits at his computer on a forum saying bad things about all of his conservative parsihoners?

And attacking liberals, well, there are plenty of things that could be said about conservatives as well.
 
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Libero:
Here I am unsure, I think that gumbleton is beyond liberal, he is an extreme liberal.

Also there is no saense in people here attacking him, so what, he has a different view to yours, accept that. You think he sits at his computer on a forum saying bad things about all of his conservative parsihoners?

And attacking liberals, well, there are plenty of things that could be said about conservatives as well.
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How about this,

We post truthful things about him, and he can post truthful things about us, does that sound fair :rolleyes:
 
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