Bitter Hatred for Jihad

[Exporter]

South Coast,

Thanks for your (name removed by moderator)ut.What this fellow has said is that he and a little group are on a mission to get this Church back to where they believe it should be no matter what anyone else has said. He seemed to take pride in outdoing the Priest. His use of the word jihad wasn’t an accident IMO. He said that some other parishioners have shown anger. Well, what did he expect.

My surprise is that he should have ever posted his devious actions on CA Forums. I would not be proud of doing that.

 

[puzzleannie]

no matter what you and your little cadre are doing in the parish, no matter what you call it, no matter how noble your intentions, no matter what your priest’s attitude is toward your actions: if you are arousing bitter hatred among your targeted enemies or in the parish at large you are doing far more harm than good, and that sound you hear is Satan chuckling.

 

[JustSomeGuy]

wow, what is the matter with you people? jihad, shmihad. he said that that word is not used. so move on. so many people that read this stuff are well-trained complainers, so used to finding fault that that is all we do to each other too. answer the question or don’t saying anything. you act like the guy is the devil incarnate at his parish. lighten up. you think that arabic speaking Christians don’t use the word ‘jihad’ when they are talking about the ‘crusades’? it means ‘holy war’. whatever. fighting the “good fight” is a holy war in every language.

no matter what you and your little cadre are doing in the parish, no matter what you call it, no matter how noble your intentions, no matter what your priest’s attitude is toward your actions: if you are arousing bitter hatred among your targeted enemies or in the parish at large you are doing far more harm than good, and that sound you hear is Satan chuckling.

just because people get mad doesn’t mean satan is having his day. Jesus got one or two people mad too. anger and hatred are human responses in human interaction. if they were worried about whether Jesus were chuckling, they’d temper their human response with the Gospel.

my answer to the original question is this: no, don’t ignore their anger. use it. you have their attention. your info sheets (“dittos”) should say 'to learn more come to our discussion group on __ night." this may not have been possible before, it can be phase two of your “mission”.

no one wants to offend the Holy Spirit–either by violating the norms of the Church or otherwise. we are at all times called to catechesis. once they know the norms and the reasons for respecting them, they will follow along. if you don’t believe that, then give up. the heart is natually attracted to the Truth. if doing the work to lead others to understanding is too much trouble, then you should stop what you are doing. your mission has to be about others or it is not a “mission”.

i am glad you have fixed what you have fixed so far. now help the people.

btw, you should make an effort toward transparency with your group. everyone should know who everyone is. it is sinful to be involved in secret societies. the slightest appearance of such will rightly offend people. without attention to openness you could accidently violate the laws of the Church, and that would make all your efforts bogus.

john

 

[serendipity]

Nota Bene:

We are now however met with a bitter hatred from those who don’t want things to change to conform with what the Church actually directs. We have begun producing a one page ditto that we hand-out to anyone questioning what we are doing. The dittos are extremely well researched and foot-noted.

I can’t help but wonder how many people are even aware of twhat the church really teaches, and how many have grown up in atmospheres where liturgical abuses were so regular that they think rectifying them is an abuse to tradition.

 

[Styree]

What I see is that Nota Bene is just fed up with some of the Crud people have been getting away with for years in the Church. I am suprised someone would call him a liberal, since what he is trying to do is restore, or conserve, the true teachings of the Church. Pastors are always outnumbered, and those who abuse the Church cry loudest about being rebuked. As long as he and his cohorts are, correct in their ideas, faithful **and **obedient, what is the harm?

Good Job, Nota Bene, I’m rootin’ for ya! I think, finally, that a fire has been started in the Church. None too soon, if you ask me.

P.S. I understood you were speaking figuratively about calling out a jihad. People need to loosen up, sheesh.

 

[Exporter]

Note Bene wrote : “Please don’t lie. I said nothing about trying to take over a Catholic Church. I said we are fixing things. Things that do not comply with what the Church directs. See my earlier posting on this subject for more details about what we have changed.” ( Be specific, Note)

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Originally Posted by Exporter
*Finally, from your posts it seems that you are Liberal who found some other Liberals and your objective is CHANGE the Catholic Mass into something that YOU want. Are you selfish? I wouldn’t be surprised if YOU drive some people from your Church. Then thanks to you and your buddies the Offerings drop, would the Pastor like that? *

Note Bene wrote: “And you seem quite stultified and couldn’t be more wrong in your opinion. Forget the fact your tip your hand by misusing the label “liberal.” We have changed a great many things that did not comply with the current GIRM and RS – it has zero to do with what we feel is “better.” Unlike many so-called “traditionalists” we actually follow the Church, not our own skewed notions… Again, see my earlier posting on this subject for details before you make another silly posting”

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So you think I made an innefective post, huh? That tells me that your little group is made up of a number of “know -it-alls”. How could you sneak around and change the Liturgy? See my earlier posting to understand what I wrote.

You have come out in public and said that you are “fixing” things at your Mass. With the attitude you have displayed here on this thread I understand why some parishioners are angry with you. If you address those parishioners like you treat me and others here You will make enemies.

You sound like a youngster who has learned to read and now thinks he will save the world. Typical thought from a recent college graduate.You like to skew what is being said to you too.

The bottom line is that a few (you don’t say how many) of you who think that you KNOW MORE than the Priest have started to cause a split in your Church by acting like adolescents. Some would say that the INMATES are running the asylum, and you are an inmate.

 

[Steve_Andersen]

Nota Bene:

……We are now however met with a bitter hatred from those who don’t want things to change to conform with what the Church actually directs. We have begun producing a one page ditto that we hand-out to anyone questioning what we are doing. The dittos are extremely well researched and foot-noted.

The tables have turned. Now it’s the abusers who are on the defensive. They are the ones that are now frustrated and angry. Unfortunately this seems to be manifesting into hatred and bitterness for those of us on jihad………

So you are a bunch of vigilantes, without official sanctum or authority, trying to make others conform to your ideas and you’re wondering why there is resentment?

Seems pretty obvious to me.

Nothing will break up a congregation like dilettantes drawing up battle lines.

Remember your priest is there to serve and listen to everyone not just a self-selected “enlightened” few

If you got a problem with someone talk to them. Ask them to coffee.

Bring your problem sup to the priest and ask if he could host some sort of discussion.

 

[otm]

Nota Bene:

My only question was about the abusers. Should we simply ignore their hatred mixed with bitterness?

Keep in mind the saying “there is none so reactionary as a radical who has achieved their objective”.

It takes a certain amount of humility to judge how to deal with someone who is angry for the wrong reasons. Sometimes active listening works, sometimes kindness with a charitable answer, and sometimes headon confrontation - call’em like you see’em - works. And sometimes the best response is no response at all.

By the way, I am curious as to what it is you have changed, as anything within the liturgical celebration is so under the control and direction of the priest (or should be if he is not an absolute wimp) that he would have to agree to the changes and most likely make (name removed by moderator)ut (“No, Sister, you are not going to give the homily, I am”).

So what is it you have changed? :clapping: