Blessed are the persecuted

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Blessed are you when men revile you and persecute you and utter all kinds of evil against you falsely on my account. Rejoice and be glad, for your reward is great in heaven, for so men persecuted the prophets who were before you. – Matthew 5:11-12

Does this apply exclusively to those individuals that are persecuted and ridiculed for being pro-life / pro-marriage / Christian / pro-justice etc. … and does not apply to non-Christian, non-Culture of Life related suffering (e.g. false accusations, economic hardship, tornado’s, mistakes you made)?

So the above passage doesn’t apply to the normal grind of daily life but only to suffering in the place of Christ?
 
Blessed are you when men revile you and persecute you and utter all kinds of evil against you falsely on my account. Rejoice and be glad, for your reward is great in heaven, for so men persecuted the prophets who were before you. – Matthew 5:11-12

Does this apply exclusively to those individuals that are persecuted and ridiculed for being pro-life / pro-marriage / Christian / pro-justice etc. … and does not apply to non-Christian, non-Culture of Life related suffering (e.g. false accusations, economic hardship, tornado’s, mistakes you made)?

So the above passage doesn’t apply to the normal grind of daily life but only to suffering in the place of Christ?
I think the way we handle suffering of a non-Christ-like way (tornado’s and such) can be virtuous. But suffering for the sake of the Kingdom bestows graces that are meritorious.
 
I would think that the phrase “on my account” would be clear. This was said by Jesus, so it seems clear that it applies to the Christian that is “walking the walk”. The other things are good (pro-life, pro-marriage, etc…), but that wasn’t what Jesus was addressing here (besides, many non-Christians believe in those things as well).

Hope this helps!
 
Ah … I was thinking it would be interpreted more broadly. After all, even if you’re atheist but pro-life and you suffer for it, you’re still doing so on behalf of the innocent unborn (thus, on behalf of Christ). Also, if you suffer calumny or hurricanes and offer it up as reparation for your sins and of others, then you are suffering as Christ suffered and thus qualify as being “on his account.” Thx, for responses.
 
I would think that the phrase “on my account” would be clear. This was said by Jesus, so it seems clear that it applies to the Christian that is “walking the walk”. The other things are good (pro-life, pro-marriage, etc…), but that wasn’t what Jesus was addressing here (besides, many non-Christians believe in those things as well).

Hope this helps!
‘Former’ Catholic?

Then I’d take the advice with a grain of salt.
 
Blessed are you when men revile you and persecute you and utter all kinds of evil against you falsely on my account. Rejoice and be glad, for your reward is great in heaven, for so men persecuted the prophets who were before you. – Matthew 5:11-12

Does this apply exclusively to those individuals that are persecuted and ridiculed for being pro-life / pro-marriage / Christian / pro-justice etc. … and does not apply to non-Christian, non-Culture of Life related suffering (e.g. false accusations, economic hardship, tornado’s, mistakes you made)?

So the above passage doesn’t apply to the normal grind of daily life but only to suffering in the place of Christ?
It’s a good question and it’s hard to distinguish these categories. It’s hard to say why people persecute us, but if we live our lives in Christ and with Christ, then all persecutions can make you ‘blessed’ or “happy.”

I know somebody who was raised Catholic then became atheist, and virulently so. She knew right from wrong, and people who wanted to do “right” from people who wanted to do “wrong.” She would promote things that were wrong, in general, but she would also oppose anything from people she didn’t like, especially those who were trying to do things “right” – e.g. following company policies and procedures.

I don’t think that there is any suffering that is in vain, when we “offer it up” to the Lord. We are persecuted when we suffer in silence or suffer defeats, even if we know that we are “right.” I was in that situation MANY times, and I could never submit to doing things that I didn’t think were right. I was proven right so many times, that I’ve lost count. I was the “only one left standing” to even notice that I was right. I knew that I was right, all along. I had the opportunity to “rejoice and be glad” to know that I was right and eventually prevailed.
 
Blessed are you when men revile you and persecute you and utter all kinds of evil against you falsely on my account. Rejoice and be glad, for your reward is great in heaven, for so men persecuted the prophets who were before you. – Matthew 5:11-12

Does this apply exclusively to those individuals that are persecuted and ridiculed for being pro-life / pro-marriage / Christian / pro-justice etc. … and does not apply to non-Christian, non-Culture of Life related suffering (e.g. false accusations, economic hardship, tornado’s, mistakes you made)?

So the above passage doesn’t apply to the normal grind of daily life but only to suffering in the place of Christ?
 
The particular quote you have chosen refers to suffering because someone is Christian, and is suffering because they belong to Christ. This can take many forms - being lied about, losing a job unfairly, jail, torture, gossip, restricted educational or employment activities, martyrdom …

However in the Beatitudes, Christ also indicated that other suffering can be rewarded - the poor are spiritually blessed, those who weep now will be comforted. So there is another wider context where suffering can result in greater reward.

And there’s the reverse. The rich have already had their reward. Those who mock now will later pay for it. Those who persecute Christ’s people will one day reap their own persecution.

However the specific quote you used does refer to suffering which comes directly as a result of being persecuted because you take the name of Christ.
 
I’ve been posting alot about Simone Weil recently. A selection that deals with “affliction” in her thought ( I found this very powerful) :

"Why she thought differently, though, can be understood if we consider what the discovery of affliction revealed to her. Affliction was not simply a problem with a system, although the factory system of her time (where she first confronted affliction) and many of the systems of the century are particularly effective at producing affliction.

It was a universal possibility for the human soul. The human soul is fragile and can be destroyed. Oppression — the stifling of empowerment –and unfairness can leave us intact and noble; the problem in those cases is, a Weil thought in her earlier work, a matter of reforming the system.

But affliction can seize the soul and undo it. How? As she makes clear in “The Love of God and Affliction” affliction, while including physical suffering, is chiefly a matter of social humiliation, a ceasing to count in anyone’s eyes, including one’s own. At that point, giving power to the powerless is not possible; there is nobody left inside to wield effective human power in the human world.

Power simply burns itself into the soul, making the soul more and more an object of other people’s actions, no longer the subject of one’s own. **Our self is a self that acts among others and requires that they respect our actions; for the afflicted, they no longer direct their own actions. **There is nothing to them that can focus human power into a coherent project. They do not affect us any longer.

And since affliction has also an essential accidental quality to it (*malheur *is literally “bad fortune”) one who is afflicted can find no reason for this being so. The mind cannot understand and thus cannot find any way to accept this condition. The world then seems chaotic, purposeless and poisonous. Hope disappears and the afflicted inevitably begin to hate themselves. Thus even well meaning “empowerment” simply makes matters worse. The afflicted become tools of our pity and our own self image, our exercises of our own moral empowerment, and they recognize it.

The possibility of affliction and the impossibility of “empowerment” as a way of saving the soul from destruction thus signaled for Weil not only a practical problem with modern understandings of the person and of justice, they also signaled that the sense of well being and goodness we derive from empowerment is conceptually other than that of perfect goodness. It is an ersatz kingdom.

In her notebooks, she claims that if it were not for affliction, we might believe ourselves in paradise. That she thought was a horrid possibility, for it was the possibility that we would continue to live for a goodness that was no more than the projection of the relief of our anxieties. But where is the alternative? Where is perfect love and justice?

The Afflicted Christ
It is God’s own love in the Cross of Christ. In “The Love of God and Affliction” Weil insists that we see the crucified Christ not as a martyr for truth, or even the king of glory executed out of jealous resentment. For her, Christ is purely and simply afflicted. But Christ does not let his condition change his love for the Father and the world he has created, even though it contains affliction. Even though abandoned, he accepts this as the Father’s will and loves even when there seems nothing to love. He is not filled with resentment. And in that, Weil suggests, is ultimately established a bond of perfect love between the abandoned Christ and the Father in heaven, between emptiness and fullness.

In Christ’s love, God’s love is present in the world. That at least means that affliction is not an ultimate evil. But Christ is not simply an example of how we might get through suffering. By accepting emptiness he redeems affliction; by accepting the nothingness of our condition he gives life to a world. His self emptying is for life, not his own, but others. When love triumphs over power, and selflessness over autonomy, it is Christ’s love in us that is our soul."

Jesus describes the overcoming of this addiction with the evocative word “blessed,” malcarios in Greek. Luke’s Jesus continues: “Happy are you when people hate you, and when they exclude you, revile you, and defame you on account of the Son of Man” (Luke 6:22). What could be stranger than this seemingly masochistic dictum? Again, some light might be shed if we translate it in terms of our hermeneutic of detachment: “How lucky you are if you are not addicted to the approval of others.” Status, attention, fame are among the most powerful and insinuating of the false gods who lure us …

Fr. Robert Barron has written on the Sermon on the Mount: “Jesus told his disciples: “Woe to you when all speak well of you” (Luke 6:26), and Winston Churchill said, “Never trust a man who has no enemies.” The one whom everyone loves is in spiritual distress, since the good-will of the crowd has undoubtedly become that person’s idol. As so many of the saints — and Jesus himself– witness, the path of spiritual freedom brings one almost inevitably into conflict with those who are still in chains. Those who have placed themselves in the Christ-center rest secure even as the approval of the fickle crowd waxes and wanes.” This is the roots of the “Blessed are the persecuted”

But since reading Weil I have come around to thinking that we are blessed to have understood what affliction means and can use its transformative powers to grow closer to Jesus.

Complete Weil post here:

payingattentiontothesky.com/2010/06/10/reading-selections-from-an-introduction-to-the-life-and-thought-of-simone-weil-by-eric-o-springsted/

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In sensus plenior, Israel’s trials in the desert represent a type of purgatory on earth. This is the life where we have opportunity to put off the old man and put on the new man.

If our goal is to be Holy and to give thanks in all things, then a persecution because of something we did has no joy. It is a consequence of failure. But a persecution because of obedience is a further opportunity to practice loving those who hate us for Christ’s sake. In the first we must respond in repentance. In the second we respond with proactive love.

What joy to be counted worthy of such opportunities. For those who are not Christian, no work can be meritorious since salvation must come before merit or you invalidate the cross.
 
Sailor Kenshin:
‘Former’ Catholic?

Then I’d take the advice with a grain of salt.
I agree (to a point). Do not just accept what I say, but check it against a solid, consistent authority and see if I am not in line with that. The Bereans checked the teachings of Paul and Barnabas against the Scriptures. I would also recommend that you not just blindly accept what your priest tells you, but check him against a solid, consistent authority.
I am not a ‘nice’ person.
As to whether it’s wrong—who knows? But ‘former’ Catholic— just sayin’.
You don’t necessarily have to be “nice”, just try and be relevant to the topic of the thread,OK?

I will readily admit that I am not infallible, and may not always give good advice, but I would hope that those who know better would show me where I’m wrong. (Thanks to NotWorthy for your comments. 👍)
 
In sensus plenior, Israel’s trials in the desert represent a type of purgatory on earth. This is the life where we have opportunity to put off the old man and put on the new man.

If our goal is to be Holy and to give thanks in all things, then a persecution because of something we did has no joy. It is a consequence of failure. But a persecution because of obedience is a further opportunity to practice loving those who hate us for Christ’s sake. In the first we must respond in repentance. In the second we respond with proactive love.

What joy to be counted worthy of such opportunities. For those who are not Christian, no work can be meritorious since salvation must come before merit or you invalidate the cross.
Okay, so there’s persecution we deserve (i.e. mistakes) and then there’s persecution we do not deserve (i.e. being fathful to Christ). Then there are those random acts of God (i.e. earthquakes, illness).

In any case, the above passage refers to persecutions we do not deserve and not to anything else.
 
Blessed are you when men revile you and persecute you and utter all kinds of evil against you falsely on my account. Rejoice and be glad, for your reward is great in heaven, for so men persecuted the prophets who were before you. – Matthew 5:11-12

Does this apply exclusively to those individuals that are persecuted and ridiculed for being pro-life / pro-marriage / Christian / pro-justice etc. … and does not apply to non-Christian, non-Culture of Life related suffering (e.g. false accusations, economic hardship, tornado’s, mistakes you made)?

So the above passage doesn’t apply to the normal grind of daily life but only to suffering in the place of Christ?
I would say that the above applies whenever one is able to Love God and neighbor during times of suffering.

The greater one suffers as a result of following God’s will, the greater one can Love.
 
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