Blessed Pope John XXIII

[HailHolyQueen90]

Does anyone here have a special devotion to Blessed Pope John XXIII? Have any of you experienced good things from his intercessions?

Do you think he will be canonized in the future? Is there any news on this?

 

[exoflare]

Is there a particular reason you’re asking this? But no, I don’t have any special devotion to him nor do I see any reason for one. Also I personally doubt he will ever be canonized, but that’s just me.

 

[ringil]

Does anyone here have a special devotion to Blessed Pope John XXIII? Have any of you experienced good things from his intercessions?

Do you think he will be canonized in the future? Is there any news on this?

Undoubtedly, he was a holy man and a great Pontiff.

As to whether he will be named a Saint- that’s up to God.

Continue to pray for this and for his intercession!

 

[Vouthon]

Is there a particular reason you’re asking this? But no, I don’t have any special devotion to him nor do I see any reason for one. Also I personally doubt he will ever be canonized, but that’s just me.

I feel that this is somewhat of a kneejerk reaction to a perfectly valid question about an exceptionally holy man who is possibly the most well-loved Pope of the 20th century for his affability, human warmth, natural goodness etc. He was also a hero during the Holocaust.

Perhaps I am wrong (ie its hard to read tone on a forum) but this was the impression I got. Am I wrong?

 

[YESSENIA1]

I loved the pope. I hope he is canonized.

 

[exoflare]

I feel that this is somewhat of a kneejerk reaction to a perfectly valid question about an exceptionally holy man who is possibly the most well-loved Pope of the 20th century for his affability, human warmth, natural goodness etc. He was also a hero during the Holocaust.

Perhaps I am wrong (ie its hard to read tone on a forum) but this was the impression I got. Am I wrong?

I can’t say if you’re wrong because I’m not really sure what you’re alleging. I don’t know what part of my last post was so hard to understand, but the OP’s question just struck me as really out of the blue.

 

[TimothyH]

I ask for the intercession of St. Joseph, St. Augustine, St. Benedict, St Francis, St. Dominic, St. Ignatius, St. Josemaria Escriva and Blessed Pope John Paul II, in my life and in the life of men throughout the world, at the end of the Liturgy of the Hours every morning. My continuted strength in resisting sexual temptation is undoubtedly a result of the intercession of Our Lady to whom I am consecrated, and to the intercesion of these strong men, some of whome struggled as well.

As to the canonization of Blessed Pope John Paul II, those who are Blessed always go on to be saints. The fact that Blessed Pope John Paul II has the title Blessed means that he will be canonized. Whether we desire it to happen or not is not relevant. It will happen. He is therefor already a saint and is in Heaven. The only thing lacking is a formal declaration of such from the Church.

-Tim-

 

[Rocky24]

Here’s what Archbishop Fulton Sheen had to say on Blessed John XXIII:
youtube.com/watch?v=iAiOwkXMKxc

Blessed John XXIII, pray for us!

 

[Angel_Bradford]

Does anyone here have a special devotion to Blessed Pope John XXIII? Have any of you experienced good things from his intercessions?

Do you think he will be canonized in the future? Is there any news on this?

I first fell in love with Blessed John XXIII while I was a teenager in the late 70s. I read his biography, “I Will Be Called John” and was absolutely fascinated by his life and his accomplishments. Did you know he had TWO earned doctorates? I do believe he will be canonized someday and I pray it will be soon.

 

[TimothyH]

I ask for the intercession of St. Joseph, St. Augustine, St. Benedict, St Francis, St. Dominic, St. Ignatius, St. Josemaria Escriva and Blessed Pope John Paul II, in my life and in the life of men throughout the world, at the end of the Liturgy of the Hours every morning. My continuted strength in resisting sexual temptation is undoubtedly a result of the intercession of Our Lady to whom I am consecrated, and to the intercesion of these strong men, some of whome struggled as well.

As to the canonization of Blessed Pope John Paul II, those who are Blessed always go on to be saints. The fact that Blessed Pope John Paul II has the title Blessed means that he will be canonized. Whether we desire it to happen or not is not relevant. It will happen. He is therefor already a saint and is in Heaven. The only thing lacking is a formal declaration of such from the Church.

-Tim-

Sorry, I thought you were all talking about John Paul II.

 

[TrueLight]

As to the canonization of Blessed Pope John Paul II, those who are Blessed always go on to be saints.

-Tim-

I’m not so sure that’s true. Aren’t there a lot of Blesseds who have never become canonized?

I first fell in love with Blessed John XXIII while I was a teenager in the late 70s. I read his biography, “I Will Be Called John” and was absolutely fascinated by his life and his accomplishments. Did you know he had TWO earned doctorates? I do believe he will be canonized someday and I pray it will be soon.

Thanks for sharing this. I don’t know anything about Blessed John XXIII except that Vatican II was opened under him.

 

[M-Dent]

I don’t know anything about Blessed John XXIII except that Vatican II was opened under him.

This article offers a few good points regarding Blessed John XXIII. Also, here is a link to **Letters and Speeches **of Blessed John XXIII.

He is a Pope worth learning some things about.

 

[ProVobis]

Thanks for sharing this. I don’t know anything about Blessed John XXIII except that Vatican II was opened under him.

He opened it but never signed a single document. From what I’ve read of him, he never intended more than a few month’s duration of the council either, as he made no long-term stay provisions for all the bishops, inter alia.

 

[JReducation]

One needs to understand several things about Blesseds.

1. The Church assumes that every Blessed is already in heaven. What’s the proof?
2. The proof is that the Church allows the Blessed to have a feast day and a mass, with its own prefaces and collects, just for him or her. You can’t do that if you have any doubts that the person may not be in heaven. The law of prayer, etc.
3. Yes, the cult of the blessed is restricted, but it is existent. The cult of some canonized saints is also restricted for other reasons, such as no room on the calendar or they belong to one of the other Churches, so they’re on that calendar and not on the Roman calendar or they belong to a religious order and they’re on that calendar, etc.
4. A person is beatified when there is no doubt that he has lived a life of heroic virtue. Pure logic, where would a person who has lived a life of heroic Christian virtue be after death?
5. The purpose of a canonization is to give glory to God for what he has done through one of our brothers or sisters. It is not for the benefit of the deceased. The deceased is already in heaven. He does not enter the pearly gates on the day of canonization.
6. A canonization is a decree about the faith of the Church. The Church decrees that she believes that N is in heaven, because a miracle has been attributed to his or her intercession.

Here is what most people don’t want you to know.

1. One need not be declared a saint to be a saint. That’s why we have All Saints Day.
2. There is no need of miracles for a canonization. Church law has changed that more than 10 times.
3. There is no need to prove that the person has lived a life of heroic virtue, for a canonization.
4. There is no need to be well known for a canonization.

OK then. If we don’t need the miracles, don’t need proof of a life of heroic virtue, don’t need a study of the person’s life, don’t need to know much about the person, then what?

It is the exclusive role of Peter to proclaim the faith of the Church. If Peter believes that N is a saint and decrees that he must be venerated as a saint and that a cult to him must be celebrated on a certain day, there is no way that any Catholic can deny it.

The other way is through popular acclaim. Saints like Augustine were never canonized. Vox Populi was all it took. The same with the Blessed Mother, the Apostles, the Church Fathers and a few other saints. The people of God jointly held this faith and Peter confirmed it. You still need Peter. What I’m trying to say is that it does not need to begin with Peter. It has to end with Peter.

In a rather strange way, the public status of a deceased Christian depends on the faith of Peter. This stands to reason, because the Church is built on the faith of Peter. A decree of canonization is a decree of faith.

To answer the original question, when the Holy Spirit moves a pope to canonize, it will happen. This will be when it’s good for the Church. The Holy Spirit always does what is best for the Church, even if it does not seem that way at the moment. It’s like getting a flue shot. Not pleasant the next day when you wake up with flue symptoms that you did not have. But it can save your life during the flu season. That’s how the Holy Spirit works.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, FFV

 

[TrueLight]

This article offers a few good points regarding Blessed John XXIII. Also, here is a link to Letters and Speeches of Blessed John XXIII.

He is a Pope worth learning some things about.

Thanks.

He opened it but never signed a single document. From what I’ve read of him, he never intended more than a few month’s duration of the council either, as he made no long-term stay provisions for all the bishops, inter alia.

That reminds me of something my grandmother used to say “man proposes, God disposes”.

 

[codefro]

Is there a particular reason you’re asking this? But no, I don’t have any special devotion to him nor do I see any reason for one. Also I personally doubt he will ever be canonized, but that’s just me.

Ummm… Obviously there is a reason if it was asked…

 

[exoflare]

Ummm… Obviously there is a reason if it was asked…

You know, it’s really annoying when people respond to you without actually reading what you wrote first. :doh2: What I said was that I don’t see any reason for myself to hold some personal devotion to this pope. This is totally different from saying “there is no reason for you to be asking this question” which are the words you’re trying to put in my mouth.