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FireFromHeaven
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I was reading through my bible and somewhere in what became the Torah it said we were not to eat blood and fat because they contain the animals soul. Does that still bind today? If not why?
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Peerce
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Since I was taught animals have no soul I’m quite curious to read that passage myself. They may have a spirit but no soul.
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MichaelHowling
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- The next day, while they were on their way and nearing the city, Peter went up to the roof terrace to pray at about noontime.* 10He was hungry and wished to eat, and while they were making preparations he fell into a trance. 11c He saw heaven opened and something resembling a large sheet coming down, lowered to the ground by its four corners. 12In it were all the earth’s four-legged animals and reptiles and the birds of the sky. 13A voice said to him, “Get up, Peter. Slaughter and eat.” 14But Peter said, “Certainly not, sir. For never have I eaten anything profane and unclean.”d 15The voice spoke to him again, a second time, “What God has made clean, you are not to call profane.”e
We do know why God had insisted on not drinking blood…
Like you said, it was considered the “life essence” of the person…God did not want a human to mingle with that of an animal …nor any other being for that matter. It was a commonly held belief in many pagan circles (whether it be actually true or not…or if the people simply held the idea as true) .However, we do see this actually happen in the gospel don’t we ? “Take this, all of you, and drink from it: this is the cup of my blood, the blood of the new and everlasting covenant” - the rule was prepairing the peoples minds and hearts for this moment.
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Ridgerunner
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I’m no biblical scholar, but I do know the pagan Greeks, at least, sacrificed animals to the gods. However, they didn’t actually burn up the animals. They would take a bit of the meat and wrap it in fat and completely burn it. The gods, you see, lived on the smell, which was thought to be the “essence” of the animal, not on the actual food itself. The people then actually cooked and ate the sacrificed animal themselves.
There might have been a thought that similar practices were too reminiscent of pagan worship.
There might have been a thought that similar practices were too reminiscent of pagan worship.
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Peerce
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Maybe I got the two mixed up.They may have a spirit but no soul.
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FireFromHeaven
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May have forgotten the exact wording. Don’t have a bible in front of me.Since I was taught animals have no soul I’m quite curious to read that passage myself. They may have a spirit but no soul.
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Garyjohn2
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We are not beholden to Jewish dietary laws.
Most people think there are 10 commandments in the Old Testament. In fact, there are something like 532 (can’t remember the exact number). The thing is, 522 of those commandments are how to be “clean” not become “unclean” and therefore unworthy of worship. We do not have to follow these because Christ’s sacrifice made us clean. The other 10 commandments are moral commandments that we still follow.
My exact numbers might be off, but this is the gist of it.
Most people think there are 10 commandments in the Old Testament. In fact, there are something like 532 (can’t remember the exact number). The thing is, 522 of those commandments are how to be “clean” not become “unclean” and therefore unworthy of worship. We do not have to follow these because Christ’s sacrifice made us clean. The other 10 commandments are moral commandments that we still follow.
My exact numbers might be off, but this is the gist of it.
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SonCatcher
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The Council of Jerusalem actually addressed this in the early Church (see Acts 15). After Peter’s vision, a faction of early Christians called the Judaizers wanted all the gentile converts to follow all the laws in the Torah, including the kosher laws.
MichaelHowling correctly asserted that Peter’s vision recorded in Acts 10 completely abrogated the kosher laws. Peter himself recounted that event at the council. The council explicitly lifted the laws of the torah from the shoulders of the gentile believers except for the universal moral laws concerning marriage. They also retained for that time two dietary laws as disciplines. These were a prohibition against strangled meat and blood. There is absolutely no prohibition against fat in the New Testament era. (I reserve the right, however, to quietly leave it on the side of my plate. Ditto for blood.)
The dietary restrictions were temporary. Many Catholic countries have dishes that include blood as an ingredient. There has never been a condemnation of this or even a “reminder” about the Acts prohibition.
St. Paul himself indicated in Romans 14 that any kind of dietary restriction is disciplinary (to avoid offending the weak). The pertinent verse is below but it is profitable to read the whole chapter.
[BIBLEDRB]Romans 14:20[/BIBLEDRB]
MichaelHowling correctly asserted that Peter’s vision recorded in Acts 10 completely abrogated the kosher laws. Peter himself recounted that event at the council. The council explicitly lifted the laws of the torah from the shoulders of the gentile believers except for the universal moral laws concerning marriage. They also retained for that time two dietary laws as disciplines. These were a prohibition against strangled meat and blood. There is absolutely no prohibition against fat in the New Testament era. (I reserve the right, however, to quietly leave it on the side of my plate. Ditto for blood.)
The dietary restrictions were temporary. Many Catholic countries have dishes that include blood as an ingredient. There has never been a condemnation of this or even a “reminder” about the Acts prohibition.
St. Paul himself indicated in Romans 14 that any kind of dietary restriction is disciplinary (to avoid offending the weak). The pertinent verse is below but it is profitable to read the whole chapter.
[BIBLEDRB]Romans 14:20[/BIBLEDRB]
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SonCatcher
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It is usually rendered “life” but “soul” is adequate (the important thing is that you have the correct concept).May have forgotten the exact wording. Don’t have a bible in front of me.
The idea was that all life belongs to God and that it should be treated respectfully. Blood was to be buried so that the animal was treated with dignity even in death.
We no longer hold to the doctrine that the blood is the life per se. However, we should still treat animals humanely, even when slaughtering them for food. That is the “spirit” of this law.
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FireFromHeaven
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Ok thanks for clarifying that.
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