Books to check out on the development of the bible

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i discovered this thingy called Notion and am using it to record a comprehensive list of resources that i can go to when i try to explain to non catholics that the bible came from us.

While checking here i found this comment and did like to check in this present time if its accurate and what else could be added to it.

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Yes. The first bibles that I’m aware of were compiled in the 300s A.D. by Eusebius of Caesarea. Emperor Constantine requested them partly because the Scriptures were all in separate scrolls up to that point, and partly so that people in his capitol could read the Word of God. (His letter ordering the bibles is recorded in Eusebius’s book Life of Constantine Book 4 Chapter 36.) Not long after that, a group of Church Fathers came together at the Council of Rome in 382 A.D. to decide what books should be included in the Church’s bibles. They decided upon the 73 books that are in the Catholic Bible. (You can read the text of the Council of Rome here. The part about the books of the Bible appears in Section II.)
 
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Hey there,

i discovered this thingy called Notion and am using it to record a comprehensive list of resources that i can go to when i try to explain to non catholics that the bible came from us.

While checking here i found this comment and did like to check in this present time if its accurate and what else could be added to it.

BY DMAR198

Yes. The first bibles that I’m aware of were compiled in the 300s A.D. by Eusebius of Caesarea. Emperor Constantine requested them partly because the Scriptures were all in separate scrolls up to that point, and partly so that people in his capitol could read the Word of God. (His letter ordering the bibles is recorded in Eusebius’s book Life of Constantine Book 4 Chapter 36.) Not long after that, a group of Church Fathers came together at the Council of Rome in 382 A.D. to decide what books should be included in the Church’s bibles. They decided upon the 73 books that are in the Catholic Bible. (You can read the text of the Council of Rome here. The part about the books of the Bible appears in Section II.)
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See this link on the development of the New Testament.

http://www.ntcanon.org/table.shtml
 
A question about Pope Damasus and his preparations for the Council of Rome. According to some versions I have read, Jerome recommended leaving out some or all of the deuterocanonicals, but was overruled by Damasus. What are the best historical sources for clearing up this doubt?
 
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Hey there,

i discovered this thingy called Notion and am using it to record a comprehensive list of resources that i can go to when i try to explain to non catholics that the bible came from us.

While checking here i found this comment and did like to check in this present time if its accurate and what else could be added to it.

BY DMAR198

Yes. The first bibles that I’m aware of were compiled in the 300s A.D. by Eusebius of Caesarea. Emperor Constantine requested them partly because the Scriptures were all in separate scrolls up to that point, and partly so that people in his capitol could read the Word of God. (His letter ordering the bibles is recorded in Eusebius’s book Life of Constantine Book 4 Chapter 36.) Not long after that, a group of Church Fathers came together at the Council of Rome in 382 A.D. to decide what books should be included in the Church’s bibles. They decided upon the 73 books that are in the Catholic Bible. (You can read the text of the Council of Rome here. The part about the books of the Bible appears in Section II.)
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See this link on the development of the New Testament.

The Development of the Canon of the New Testament - Cross Reference Table: Writings and Authorities
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This chart is somewhat useful as to part of the process - opinions of **some of the ** individual ancient scholars - but omits the Magisterium.

Some agency had to determine that a “New Testament” ought to exist…

and …

that certain scholars are “authorities”, and some are not, and how to weigh their (name removed by moderator)ut for a “canon”…

And, this NT would not mean the OT is no longer Scripture.

This chart, like other summaries I have seen, seems to begin late in the development, skipping over crucial early steps.
 
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This chart, like other summaries I have seen, seems to begin late in the development, skipping over crucial early steps.
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Which crucial earlier steps are missing?
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Which human agency decided a “NT” ought to exist, at all?

Which human agency decided the OT would be considered Scripture by Christians? This seems obvious but only in hindsight.

Who decided certain ancient scholars would be deemed “Early Church Fathers” or “heretics”? Obviously that affects how we weigh (name removed by moderator)ut.

I’m not saying the outline is bad, just noting it looks at some important aspects, not other aspects.
 
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From Jerome’s prologue to Tobias:

But it is better to be judging the opinion of the Pharisees to displease and to be subject to the commands of bishops. …

… And from his prologue to Judith:

I have acquiesced to your request, indeed a demand,

Can we assume that the word “bishops” in the prologue to Tobias and “your” in the prologue to Judith both refer to Pope Damasus? If so, these remarks seem to confirm the view that I asked about in my post #3, namely that Jerome’s personal judgment was that these books ought to have been left out, and he only included them at Damasus’ insistence.
 
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Thank you for your reply, but you still haven’t specified which “crucial early steps” have been omitted. What sources have you found, that the compiler of this table overlooked?
 
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BartholomewB said:
A question about Pope Damasus and his preparations for the Council of Rome. According to some versions I have read, Jerome recommended leaving out some or all of the deuterocanonicals, but was overruled by Damasus. What are the best historical sources for clearing up this doubt?
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I’ve heard the same thing but I do not have the sources. I’ll look to see what I can dig up.

Pax
 
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