Boundaries of sexual relations

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The Boundaries of Sexual Relations -Marriage

The passion, warmth, beauty, and fire of sexual relations are like that of a burning fire in a fireplace. Once outside of their natural boundaries, both sexual relations and fire will destroy the individual, people around them, and everything you have and own. This is the devastating effect of sexual passions outside of the natural bonds of marriage.

All sexual relations outside of marriage work toward weakening and eliminating marriage as an institution. Anything that weakens and causes the destruction of marital bonds ultimately works towards the destruction of the well being and **character of children **and ultimately of our society at large.

**Why is this so?**Sexual passions before marriage creates self-centered gratification, using people to meet ones own selfish sensual desires. Women and men can become sexual commodities to be bought, sold, and traded, all to meet this self-gratification. One streetcar becomes as good as another, miss one, there will be another in fifteen minutes.

If we do not learn to control our passions before marriage, there will be no reason to expect that our passions will be controlled after marriage. Hence, pornography to entice one’s sensual pleasures and marital affairs run rampant in today’s society, all working to tear marriages apart.

If we are participating in self-gratification of sexual relations prior to marriage, we are engaged in using people to meet our wants, and selfishness–the exact opposite of what marriage is all about. You see, marriage is meant to be self-giving through self-sacrifice. We end up marrying the wrong person because we were blinded by sexual activity, never truly learning what our partner was like before marriage. We marry wrongly because we marry with an attitude of what’s in it for me and when the relationships grows tired or weary, we bail out for another streetcar.

Consequently all sorts of diseases are spread, many of which are incurable, meaning we carry them for life and hand them on to our partners and worse cause physical harm to our offspring-- our babies, our children. Finally, some sexually transmitted diseases causing sterilization and some ultimately cause death.

Scripture is clear on this. Without true repentance, this self-centered gratification leads to the death of the soul for all eternity.

1 Cor 6:9; neither the **sexual immoral- fornicators **nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor **male prostitutes, nor homosexual offender **nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards, nor slanders nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. Eph 5:5 Be sure of this, that no fornicator or impure man, or one who is covetous (that is, an idolater), has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. Also see: Leviticus 18:22-25, Romans 1:24-26; 1 Cor. 6:15-19; Flee from sexual immorality. … **Sins sexually sins against his own body. **1 Cor. 10:8; We should not commit sexual immorality, as some of them did- and in one day twenty-three thousand of them died. Col. 3:5; 1 Thes. 4:3; Rom 1:29- For pro creation; Gen. 1:28; Mat 19:4-6; For Spiritual unity; Gen. 2:24;

There is A Question That Must Be Answered!!!
The news media portrays sexual immorality as ok. Many of our schools portray sexual immorality as a matter of choice. Our entertainment industry glorifies sexual immorality. Recreational sex is the “in” thing. This is the philosophy, the religion of Humanism.

If the Church does not teach right and wrong and why, who will??
 
Looking back at my sinful past, if not for the excitement experienced through my unfortunate use of pornograpy, I would have certainly wound up cheating on my wife with a real live woman. This is sad, but true. God forgive me!

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Looking back at my sinful past, if not for the excitement experienced through my unfortunate use of pornograpy, I would have certainly wound up cheating on my wife with a real live woman. This is sad, but true. God forgive me!

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but is this due to poor formation, lack of teaching the reasons for and understandings of the boundaries of sex, is it due to the enticement of our culture, lack of prayer, lack of preaching, and govt skules helping to promote sexual immorality???
 
Looking back at my sinful past, if not for the excitement experienced through my unfortunate use of pornograpy, I would have certainly wound up cheating on my wife with a real live woman. This is sad, but true. God forgive me!

:cool:
actually TL you did cheat on your wife with a real woman…you looked upon these unfortunate women with lust in your heart.otherwise it wouldn’t be called the sin of adultry…
BTW i don’t even remember how long it has been now:thumbsup:
 
but is this due to poor formation, lack of teaching the reasons for and understandings of the boundaries of sex, is it due to the enticement of our culture, lack of prayer, lack of preaching, and govt skules helping to promote sexual immorality???
anyone care to help turn this sex crazed culture around, make use of the above post and combine it with how to implement a comprehensive abstinance only sex ed program to drive an ever bigger wedge into the juagernaut of public education which most are teaching comprehensive sex ed teaching them how to have sex for free, check out the post on implementing abstinance as a choice at forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=296899

then work to implement, to spread the word to other parents, churches etc. a few people, 10 or so can get this done in many a school district, because the arguments are all on our side for a choice in the right direction
 
but is this due to poor formation, lack of teaching the reasons for and understandings of the boundaries of sex, is it due to the enticement of our culture, lack of prayer, lack of preaching, and govt skules helping to promote sexual immorality???
anyone care to help turn this sex crazed culture around, make use of the above post and combine it with how to implement a comprehensive abstinance only sex ed program to drive an ever bigger wedge into the juagernaut of public education which most are teaching comprehensive sex ed teaching them how to have sex for free, check out the post on implementing abstinance as a choice at forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=296899

then work to implement, to spread the word to other parents, churches etc. a few people, 10 or so can get this done in many a school district, because the arguments are all on our side for a choice in the right direction. We have done it in the state of Wisconsin in one local in Milwaukee county.
 
but is this due to poor formation, lack of teaching the reasons for and understandings of the boundaries of sex, is it due to the enticement of our culture, lack of prayer, lack of preaching, and govt skules helping to promote sexual immorality???
It’s due to our own concupiscence, exploited by satan, his minions, and those overcome by the love of wealth.
 
actually TL you did cheat on your wife with a real woman…you looked upon these unfortunate women with lust in your heart.otherwise it wouldn’t be called the sin of adultry…
BTW i don’t even remember how long it has been now:thumbsup:
With all due respect and charity, that’s baloney! Don’t buy into that line. I wholeheartedly disagree with the idea that porn use is no different than having an affair. Occasional or even moderate porn use is significantly less destructive to a marriage than an extramarital affair. Affairs involve the whole person, heart, mind, body and soul. A real live woman who is tempting the husband of another is a far greater threat to a marriage than a picture in a dirty magazine.

Porn use involves the inappropriate and sinful use of the eyes and glands and eventually weakens the intimate bond within marriage, but I have yet to meet a man who has fallen in love while watching dirty movies.

My decision to stop porn use had nothing to do with improving my marriage. My “duties” were not being neglected, there was plenty of sexual energy going her way as well. For me, this sin was all about the excess and selfish desire for physical pleasure that I had no right to have. It was driven by lust, which is excess desire for pleasure. The reason I stopped using pornography is because it is a sin.

Jesus Christ spoke of “adultry in the heart” by looking lustfully at another woman. His words were probably being addressed to married men who were seeking affairs. Why didn’t Jesus include women looking lustfully at men? As a side note, sex between unmarried people is “fornication” not “adultry”.

In the very next verse Jesus starts talking about chopping off hands and gouging out eyes. Obviously since the church isn’t promoting the amputation of body parts as a solution for sin. This is not an attempt to justify porn use because it is always a sin, but we must be careful how to apply his words.

Having sinful sexual fantasies with paper images is simply NOT in the same league as having full blown sexual intercourse with your secretary on a business trip while your wife is at home cooking, cleaning, changing diapers and wiping runny noses.

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Looking back at my sinful past, if not for the excitement experienced through my unfortunate use of pornograpy, I would have certainly wound up cheating on my wife with a real live woman. This is sad, but true. God forgive me!

:cool:
Nor is this an exaggeration. If anything, it may be an understatement as to where pornography can lead. I used to watch a fair amount of the old Court TV trials. There was more than one case where pornography led to extramarital affairs and/or merely online “affairs.” In addition, that obsession ended up ruining the marriage and leading to murder. Try that one on for size. (And yes, these men were convicted.)

Just as dangerously, those who use adult porn can be diverted into (accidentally or deliberately) child porn, which, when discovered, lands one a hefty jail sentence, just by the viewing of images. There’s a famous recent case of this, in which a talk show host, while not presumably cheating on his wife, got caught in child porn chat & sending of images. (It began with adult porn chat.) He is now serving a 7 year prison sentence, and his future is over.
 
Having sinful sexual fantasies with paper images is simply NOT in the same league as having full blown sexual intercourse with your secretary on a business trip while your wife is at home cooking, cleaning, changing diapers and wiping runny noses.

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i guess this is where we can differ.
i am married i commit the sin of adultry any time i look at a woman with the intent of gaining sexual pleasure from her…if i weren’t married then yes i would say i commit a the sin of fornication with her…
sorry but yes it is in the same league…one can have sex with another person just for that reason only,no attraction (emotionally)needed…if this weren’t true then there would be lot less “working” girls…
 
Having sinful sexual fantasies with paper images is simply NOT in the same league as having full blown sexual intercourse with your secretary on a business trip while your wife is at home cooking, cleaning, changing diapers and wiping runny noses.
There is a very small amount of truth in this, which is that you don’t risk bringing home any nasty diseases, and that you *might *be able to get your wife to rationalize that it’s “just a picture.”

But you are still doing it “while your wife is at home cooking, cleaning, changing diapers and wiping runny noses.” You are excluding her from a pleasure that belongs to both of you - so you are stealing from her.

And you should be able to figure out that the picture is of a **real **woman, a person who has a mother and father, maybe sisters and brothers. Someone who probably did *not *grow up thinking, “I want to be a porn star!” Someone who probably has had to be treated for STDs more than once, since “protection” doesn’t sell. Someone who is being used, abused, and degraded by men who want only the money they will make off her; men who are happy to contribute to the disintegration of other men’s morality and marriages; men who are the active promoters of the culture of death.

The difference gets smaller and smaller, when you think about it.

And, frankly, presenting it as an “either - or” choice is rotten.

Praying for you and all victims of pornography,

Ruthie
 
There is a very small amount of truth in this, which is that you don’t risk bringing home any nasty diseases, and that you *might *be able to get your wife to rationalize that it’s “just a picture.”

But you are still doing it “while your wife is at home cooking, cleaning, changing diapers and wiping runny noses.” You are excluding her from a pleasure that belongs to both of you - so you are stealing from her.

And you should be able to figure out that the picture is of a **real **woman, a person who has a mother and father, maybe sisters and brothers. Someone who probably did *not *grow up thinking, “I want to be a porn star!” Someone who probably has had to be treated for STDs more than once, since “protection” doesn’t sell. Someone who is being used, abused, and degraded by men who want only the money they will make off her; men who are happy to contribute to the disintegration of other men’s morality and marriages; men who are the active promoters of the culture of death.

The difference gets smaller and smaller, when you think about it.

And, frankly, presenting it as an “either - or” choice is rotten.

Praying for you and all victims of pornography,

Ruthie
My post was not intended to trivialize pornography. Marriages and lives are destroyed because this stuff exists. The problem is getting worse by the day. Internet pornography is truly a scourge that is ruining the minds of countless young men. But that doesn’t change the fact that there are differing degrees of sexual sin.

The man who sins with a Playboy magazine while his wife is undergoing a long recovery from surgery and unable to engage in conjugal relations is NOT even close to being in the same league as the child molester, rapist, pimp or slimeball pornographer who profits from the exploitation of drug addicted runaway teen girls. Perspective, common sense and honesty is critical in order to preserve a sane society.

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