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adamhovey1988
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Oh, yikes. My grandpa was a boxer at one point (K.O.'ed Mohammed Ali before he was Mohammed Ali!). As Grandpa would have told you, boxing is very dangerous. May he rest in peace.
Tis_Bearself
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That’s a shame. I didn’t know people died from boxing injuries these days, at least not right away as opposed to from some long term effects.
Prayers for his soul, and for God to comfort his widow and family. Eternal rest…
Prayers for his soul, and for God to comfort his widow and family. Eternal rest…
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tomarin
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I remember a Korean boxer dying in the ring from a knockout punch but that was years, even decades ago at this point.
Added: yup, even earlier than I thought - 1982.
Added: yup, even earlier than I thought - 1982.
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Tis_Bearself
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Yeah, that was Ray “Boom Boom” Mancini vs. Duk Koo Kim in 1982, made famous by the Warren Zevon song.
Hurry home early, Hurry on home,
Boom Boom Mancini’s fighting Bobby Chacon.
Hurry home early, hurry on home,
Boom Boom Mancini’s fighting Bobby Chacon.
When they asked him who was responsible
For the death of Duk Koo Kim
He said, "Someone should have stopped the fight,
They told me it was him."
They made hypocrite judgments after the fact
But the name of the game is be hit and hit back
That’s the last time I was aware of it happening also.
Hurry home early, Hurry on home,
Boom Boom Mancini’s fighting Bobby Chacon.
Hurry home early, hurry on home,
Boom Boom Mancini’s fighting Bobby Chacon.
When they asked him who was responsible
For the death of Duk Koo Kim
He said, "Someone should have stopped the fight,
They told me it was him."
They made hypocrite judgments after the fact
But the name of the game is be hit and hit back
That’s the last time I was aware of it happening also.
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tomarin
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I’m glad it’s an infrequent occurrence.Yeah, that was Ray “Boom Boom” Mancini vs. Duk Koo Kim in 1982, made famous by the Warren Zevon song.
Hurry home early, Hurry on home,
Boom Boom Mancini’s fighting Bobby Chacon.
Hurry home early, hurry on home,
Boom Boom Mancini’s fighting Bobby Chacon.
When they asked him who was responsible
For the death of Duk Koo Kim
He said, "Someone should have stopped the fight,
They told me it was him."
They made hypocrite judgments after the fact
But the name of the game is be hit and hit back
That’s the last time I was aware of it happening also.
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Beryllos
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Boxing: The object of the game is to give your opponent a traumatic brain injury before he gives you one. It’s amazing to me that it is still legal.
May Maxim Dadashev rest in peace, and may his wife and little son be comforted in their loss.
May Maxim Dadashev rest in peace, and may his wife and little son be comforted in their loss.
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Welshrabbit
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I feel this way about the UFC and other MMA events as well. I respect the skill and athleticism of the combatants, but I just can’t bring myself to watch them.
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tomarin
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And it’s in the Olympics (but Olympic boxers wear headgear).Boxing: The object of the game is to give your opponent a traumatic brain injury before he gives you one. It’s amazing to me that it is still legal.
May Maxim Dadashev rest in peace, and may his wife and little son be comforted in their loss.
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Welshrabbit
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Thanks for sharing, CJ. I had seen Fr. Schmitz’s first video on the subject but not the follow-up. He makes some excellent points where our entertainment comes from and how harmful it can be to consume the wrong kind of media/events.
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Hodos
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Professional boxing really needs to consider going to wearing headgear. In a lot of ways the worst thing to happen to UFC was for them to start wearing the thin UFC gloves. They really don’t offer protection to the person being hit, and only give the advantage to strikers which has significantly more risk of serious injury than submission holds.
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Neithan
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R.I.P.
Boxing and MMA are entertaining, sure, but they appeal to our lower appetite (typically stronger among males) for violence. These are brutal games. Is it moral to watch men — often from lower socioeconomic groups — brutalize one another for our amusement? Following this unchecked would lead us back to legalizing gladiators, and fights to the death. [Gridiron] Football, and to a lesser extent, ice hockey, also has some brutal physical contact involved, and I think the neuroscience on football players should make any parent seriously question whether they want their son to play that particular sport.
Boxing and MMA are entertaining, sure, but they appeal to our lower appetite (typically stronger among males) for violence. These are brutal games. Is it moral to watch men — often from lower socioeconomic groups — brutalize one another for our amusement? Following this unchecked would lead us back to legalizing gladiators, and fights to the death. [Gridiron] Football, and to a lesser extent, ice hockey, also has some brutal physical contact involved, and I think the neuroscience on football players should make any parent seriously question whether they want their son to play that particular sport.
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Athanasiy
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The statement that sport is health is a false statement. Professional sport is far from this idea, there are traumas there, hard grueling roads, and sometimes fatal outcomes.
Even Mike Tyson said more than once in an interview that he would not wish his way to his children, and in general people were not created to fight.
But sport has the ability to transform a person beyond recognition.
For me, the Freestyle and Greco Roman wrestling at one time became a spiritual awakening to a new spiritual life.
Power sports help to awaken in you a man, a knight, to turn a soft, limp fat man into a moderate self-disciplined, ascetic Christ warrior.
Many transformational and transformative miracles are fraught with power sports, so do not rush to curse boxing with anathemas.
I am not an expert in professional boxing (sometime in Soviet times, this sport was condemned as a cruel kind of sports of decaying capitalism,where desperate people risk life for money )
but in general, power sports can be a great helper in the spiritual struggle against sin.
I wish the kingdom of heaven this passed to eternity fighter. I don’t know, I guess the claims to the medical certificate, and also often there are a lot of fighters going to professionals, whose desires do not match the actual possibilities.
In any case, this fighter, and the sporty Don Quixote, had the greatest will to win.
I take off my hat to him, just as I am ready to take off my hat to veterans who want to continue to perform after 60 years (I mean fighting for the right to wrestle / box until the last breath)
Even Mike Tyson said more than once in an interview that he would not wish his way to his children, and in general people were not created to fight.
But sport has the ability to transform a person beyond recognition.
For me, the Freestyle and Greco Roman wrestling at one time became a spiritual awakening to a new spiritual life.
Power sports help to awaken in you a man, a knight, to turn a soft, limp fat man into a moderate self-disciplined, ascetic Christ warrior.
Many transformational and transformative miracles are fraught with power sports, so do not rush to curse boxing with anathemas.
I am not an expert in professional boxing (sometime in Soviet times, this sport was condemned as a cruel kind of sports of decaying capitalism,where desperate people risk life for money )
but in general, power sports can be a great helper in the spiritual struggle against sin.
I wish the kingdom of heaven this passed to eternity fighter. I don’t know, I guess the claims to the medical certificate, and also often there are a lot of fighters going to professionals, whose desires do not match the actual possibilities.
In any case, this fighter, and the sporty Don Quixote, had the greatest will to win.
I take off my hat to him, just as I am ready to take off my hat to veterans who want to continue to perform after 60 years (I mean fighting for the right to wrestle / box until the last breath)
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Athanasiy
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You can agree with the priest regarding violence for fun and circuses, but I do not think that the fighters are fighting for money.
I do not understand the mercenary fighter dreams. The fighter has bruises every day (the boxers often have blood) The fighters do not fight for the sake of pleasure-life, because their life is not at all pleasure-life, just sport is like a drug, you can’t give up on what you sacrificed yourself, you go on and on.
For me, wrestling is generally far from commercialistic. I lose money all the time, I lose a lot of money because of dedication-time, because of training, competitions. All at your own expense.
One of the austerities of the fighters is to discipline the use of food, the weight race, strict regime, no loosening.
The desire for fame and recognition is present, but the fighter fights to win, including himself, he does not fight for the sake of cruelty and the satisfaction of the public.
I don’t know, maybe in professional boxing, as in the fight of ketch, it’s important to have a public show, and there’s a lot of money there, but I personally profess the Olympic principle in which commerce should be absent.
I do not understand the mercenary fighter dreams. The fighter has bruises every day (the boxers often have blood) The fighters do not fight for the sake of pleasure-life, because their life is not at all pleasure-life, just sport is like a drug, you can’t give up on what you sacrificed yourself, you go on and on.
For me, wrestling is generally far from commercialistic. I lose money all the time, I lose a lot of money because of dedication-time, because of training, competitions. All at your own expense.
One of the austerities of the fighters is to discipline the use of food, the weight race, strict regime, no loosening.
The desire for fame and recognition is present, but the fighter fights to win, including himself, he does not fight for the sake of cruelty and the satisfaction of the public.
I don’t know, maybe in professional boxing, as in the fight of ketch, it’s important to have a public show, and there’s a lot of money there, but I personally profess the Olympic principle in which commerce should be absent.
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thistle
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Who was your grandfather? I can’t find anything about Cassius Clay being knocked out as a professional or as an amateur.Oh, yikes. My grandpa was a boxer at one point (K.O.'ed Mohammed Ali before he was Mohammed Ali!). As Grandpa would have told you, boxing is very dangerous. May he rest in peace.
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tomarin
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I’m glad to hear they don’t all do it just for money, since that would be too depressing.
It’s probably like other martial arts, except the risks are much greater. (I’m a fan of jiu jitsu myself although I’ve also dabbled in capoeira.)
It’s probably like other martial arts, except the risks are much greater. (I’m a fan of jiu jitsu myself although I’ve also dabbled in capoeira.)
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aroosi
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Maybe one of these guys?
https://amp.irishexaminer.com/sport/other-sports/muhammad-alis-five-losses-403427.html
https://amp.irishexaminer.com/sport/other-sports/muhammad-alis-five-losses-403427.html
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pnewton
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Fighting animals is illegal most places (for good reason), yet somehow boxing is not, even though people are of infinite more value.Boxing: The object of the game is to give your opponent a traumatic brain injury before he gives you one. It’s amazing to me that it is still legal.
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thistle
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No. He definitely was never knocked out as a professional as Muhammad Ali or Cassius Clay. He lost fights but was never knocked out.Maybe one of these guys?
I have mixed feelings on this one.R.I.P.
Boxing and MMA are entertaining, sure, but they appeal to our lower appetite (typically stronger among males) for violence. These are brutal games. Is it moral to watch men — often from lower socioeconomic groups — brutalize one another for our amusement? Following this unchecked would lead us back to legalizing gladiators, and fights to the death. [Gridiron] Football, and to a lesser extent, ice hockey, also has some brutal physical contact involved, and I think the neuroscience on football players should make any parent seriously question whether they want their son to play that particular sport.
I don’t like to see anyone injured or die, needless to say.
But, my father used to say, for some young men (as you say, from “lower socioeconomic groups”), they see that as their chance in life, either becoming an athlete or an entertainer. And I wouldn’t want to take that away from somebody.
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