Bride walks down aisle with grooms father? Is this wrong?

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All right… here we go. The facts?

My brother is getting married in 2 weeks. He was raised Roman Catholic, and is very familiar with the religion. He chooses not to practice as a catholic, but rather as a nondenominational Christian.

His bride-to-be is an only child. Her mother is a devoted catholic woman with strong unwavering beliefs. The bride however is much like my brother. A Christian familiar with Catholicism, but chooses to practice as a non-denominational Christian. The bride’s father is not involved in her life. She has no close male family members or friends, but wants to keep catholic views and protocol in her wedding ceremony for the sake of tradition.

When the bride was 6 years old, her father left unexpectedly to peruse a PhD. After moving away for some time, the bride’s mother chose to pack my soon to be sister in-law up and move her across the country to be a family again. This attempt failed miserably. Soon she found out that her father had several other children scattered across the country and another wife in another state. Her mother did everything she could to keep her and her father’s relationship alive, but it failed time and time again. Her father made it nearly impossible her mother to keep up with his secret moves from state to state. She followed him restlessly for years. He refused to return phone calls for months at a time, has excuses to rationalize his absences nearly every time he has ever made plans to see her. He however sent the brides mother money every month to assist in supporting the bride as a child until she was 18. After age 18, he began sending the bride money for 6 months after she gave birth to their first child. A kind gesture, but she really wanted to see her father.
It just seems to me from the way she talks about him, that he was financially supportive but didn’t intend to see her again. She has said these words to me.
He said he would be at her first communion, high school graduation, the birth of both of her children and has made excuses to have missed them all. Since the bride was 6 years old, she has only seen her father approx 5 times and had a returned phone call approx the same number of times.

My brother and his bride had a rough start. They are high school sweethearts who started their family at the very young age of 18. They lived with my parents for quite some time. a year perhaps. My mom and dad love and adore his fiance. My dad has been a father figure for her since she was 16 years old. He is not her biological father, but he loves her as much as he loves my brother, any of my other siblings and me. He would do anything for any of us.
The bride told her father that she was getting married, gave him times, dates, and locations. He made no indication that he had any interest in attending.

The bride asked my dad if he would walk her down the aisle. I think he was shocked and completely flattered and giddy at the thought that she considered him. He was honored.

The bride’s mother has really been on the brides coat tails about this idea. She in convinced that this is a sin and the bride is breaking one of the commandments: to honor and obey mother and father. She has been obsessive and relentless about the bride asking a non-family member to walk her down the aisle because her biological father is still alive, but not present. She insists that the bride walk by herself if not with her biological father. She has even made it seem that she does not want to attend the wedding because she considers this disobeying and dishonoring her, her mother. She tells the bride she misinterprets what the bride has read, which refers to the bride walking with her father in the wedding processional as an exchange of property as a tradition. The idea is not that MY father is giving her away to MY brother, but rather to include my father in the wedding and walk with an older, male role model who she loves and respects. Her intention was not to dishonor or be disrespectful to her absent biological father.

So… that’s the back story. The basic question is: Through the eyes of a Roman Catholic, is it a sin or breaking a commandment to have the grooms father walk the bride down the aisle?

I realize this is not traditional, but is it WRONG in the eyes of roman catholic church?

Please help us find an answer… I have never even heard of anything like this at all. I can’t find anything about her mothers concerns. I just want to make sure the bride’s mother finds comfort. In the case that she is correct, the bride and groom would consider changes to her walk down the aisle. The bride truly wants her mother to find peace in her choice, but also wants to have her wedding staged as the weddings she experienced as a child.
 
Again I ask, is this a Catholic wedding ceremony? I asked in the previous thread. Because the issue of the FIL walking the bride down the aisle and it being a sin pales in comparison if the couple involved is not being married in a Catholic wedding ceremony if they were baptised as Catholics.

If it is a Catholic wedding ceremony, defer to the guidance of the priest, ask him if there is a sin being committed. My understanding it would not be a sin if the future FIL escorted the bride to be down the aisle in the processional in a Catholic wedding ceremony.
 
they are baptized catholic, but no. He is a marine and on leave for a few days and they are taking advantage of the time he has here. The wedding is very short notice. There is no time for schedules through the church.

Thank you for being so patient with me! This is actually the very first forum i have ever interacted with. I’m not exactly computer/technology literate! haha
 
All your details are unnecessary for your question. Brides are escorted down the aisle by their fathers because of their insistence. It is not a part of the Church’s nuptial liturgy. In fact, there seems to be a pull toward having the bride and groom go down the aisle together. I know when I married, my dad could walk me part-way and then my husband had to meet me and we then continued the short rest of the walk.
 
All right… here we go. The facts?

My brother is getting married in 2 weeks. He was raised Roman Catholic, and is very familiar with the religion. He chooses not to practice as a catholic, but rather as a nondenominational Christian.

His bride-to-be is an only child. Her mother is a devoted catholic woman with strong unwavering beliefs. The bride however is much like my brother. A Christian familiar with Catholicism, but chooses to practice as a non-denominational Christian. The bride’s father is not involved in her life. She has no close male family members or friends, but wants to keep catholic views and protocol in her wedding ceremony for the sake of tradition.

When the bride was 6 years old, her father left unexpectedly to peruse a PhD. After moving away for some time, the bride’s mother chose to pack my soon to be sister in-law up and move her across the country to be a family again. This attempt failed miserably. Soon she found out that her father had several other children scattered across the country and another wife in another state. Her mother did everything she could to keep her and her father’s relationship alive, but it failed time and time again. Her father made it nearly impossible her mother to keep up with his secret moves from state to state. She followed him restlessly for years. He refused to return phone calls for months at a time, has excuses to rationalize his absences nearly every time he has ever made plans to see her. He however sent the brides mother money every month to assist in supporting the bride as a child until she was 18. After age 18, he began sending the bride money for 6 months after she gave birth to their first child. A kind gesture, but she really wanted to see her father.
It just seems to me from the way she talks about him, that he was financially supportive but didn’t intend to see her again. She has said these words to me.
He said he would be at her first communion, high school graduation, the birth of both of her children and has made excuses to have missed them all. Since the bride was 6 years old, she has only seen her father approx 5 times and had a returned phone call approx the same number of times.

My brother and his bride had a rough start. They are high school sweethearts who started their family at the very young age of 18. They lived with my parents for quite some time. a year perhaps. My mom and dad love and adore his fiance. My dad has been a father figure for her since she was 16 years old. He is not her biological father, but he loves her as much as he loves my brother, any of my other siblings and me. He would do anything for any of us.
The bride told her father that she was getting married, gave him times, dates, and locations. He made no indication that he had any interest in attending.

The bride asked my dad if he would walk her down the aisle. I think he was shocked and completely flattered and giddy at the thought that she considered him. He was honored.

The bride’s mother has really been on the brides coat tails about this idea. She in convinced that this is a sin and the bride is breaking one of the commandments: to honor and obey mother and father. She has been obsessive and relentless about the bride asking a non-family member to walk her down the aisle because her biological father is still alive, but not present. She insists that the bride walk by herself if not with her biological father. She has even made it seem that she does not want to attend the wedding because she considers this disobeying and dishonoring her, her mother. She tells the bride she misinterprets what the bride has read, which refers to the bride walking with her father in the wedding processional as an exchange of property as a tradition. The idea is not that MY father is giving her away to MY brother, but rather to include my father in the wedding and walk with an older, male role model who she loves and respects. Her intention was not to dishonor or be disrespectful to her absent biological father.

So… that’s the back story. The basic question is: Through the eyes of a Roman Catholic, is it a sin or breaking a commandment to have the grooms father walk the bride down the aisle?

I realize this is not traditional, but is it WRONG in the eyes of roman catholic church?

Please help us find an answer… I have never even heard of anything like this at all. I can’t find anything about her mothers concerns. I just want to make sure the bride’s mother finds comfort. In the case that she is correct, the bride and groom would consider changes to her walk down the aisle. The bride truly wants her mother to find peace in her choice, but also wants to have her wedding staged as the weddings she experienced as a child.
Don’t worry about it. It doesn’t matter in this case. Neither the bride nor the groom are practicing Catholics and this isn’t a Catholic wedding anyway. You’re not having it in a Catholic church building anyway, right?

Get the mother in law to work on the reception. Keep her busy and out of trouble. And wish the bride and groom well. They’ve had enough heartache. Let the poor girl walk down the aisle with your father if she wants to. It’s not going to hurt anything.

Later, they’ll work all the details out of their religious commitment and all that. Don’t worry about it now.

He’s off on leave from the service, right? Wish them well and let them spend some time together. Cheers.
 
Don’t worry about it. It doesn’t matter in this case. Neither the bride nor the groom are practicing Catholics and this isn’t a Catholic wedding anyway. You’re not having it in a Catholic church building anyway, right?

Get the mother in law to work on the reception. Keep her busy and out of trouble. And wish the bride and groom well. They’ve had enough heartache. Let the poor girl walk down the aisle with your father if she wants to. It’s not going to hurt anything.

Later, they’ll work all the details out of their religious commitment and all that. Don’t worry about it now.

He’s off on leave from the service, right? Wish them well and let them spend some time together. Cheers.
He doesn’t have control over his relatives, true, but your post seems to have a cavalier attitude about these fallen-away Catholics that I hope you do not intend. If they’re both baptised Catholic, they are bound to follow canon law. More to the point, they’re missing out on Mass and the sacraments! That is the issue here, not the father of the bride.

That the bride’s mother is not concerned about that says volumes. This is about a relationship the mother has invested a lot of time and life into, but that her daughter’s father has done everything in his power to evade. It is not the daughter’s responsibility to keep propping up that futile effort.

The OP would do well not to stick his nose into this, except to assure the bride and groom that while the Church says they are bound to marry in the Church, the bride is not bound to include her father or exclude anyone else. He can say that without making a huge deal of it, but it is worth it to remind them that they are indeed Catholic. As far as I know, there is no other Christian denomination that formally teaches that the bride has any such duty, either. Her mom found that in her imagination. She may not be alone in her sentiment, but it is pulled from the thin air of romantic invention.
 
Don’t worry about it. It doesn’t matter in this case. Neither the bride nor the groom are practicing Catholics and this isn’t a Catholic wedding anyway. You’re not having it in a Catholic church building anyway, right?

Get the mother in law to work on the reception. Keep her busy and out of trouble. And wish the bride and groom well. They’ve had enough heartache. Let the poor girl walk down the aisle with your father if she wants to. It’s not going to hurt anything.

Later, they’ll work all the details out of their religious commitment and all that. Don’t worry about it now.

He’s off on leave from the service, right? Wish them well and let them spend some time together. Cheers.
This seems like bad advice to someone whose brother is contracting an invalid marriage.

To the OP: you cannot attend this wedding because it would signify your approval of something that is illicit and invalid. Your brother has no dispensation to marry a non-Catholic, and he has no permission to marry outside of the Catholic Rite of Matrimony, so this is not a wedding ceremony for him, it is a one-way ticket to fornication.

The only talk you need to have is regarding your brother’s state of grace and his salvation for eternal life. The only way he will retain both of these is to stop and think rather than rushing into an invalid marriage and unlawful cohabitation. He still has a chance to return to the Church with nothing more than a good Confession and a firm resolve to observe the Precepts of the Church. His fiancée is not obligated to convert, but she should respect his Catholic faith and encourage him to do the right thing at this point rather than selfishly insist that he rush into this ceremony.

Once this couple has completed six to nine months of wedding preparation, and your brother is practicing his faith regularly, then he can tie the knot in a ceremony approved by the Catholic Church and he can begin married life with a clean conscience, an unstained soul, and an ever-increasing prospect of meeting Our Lord in Heaven at the end of his life, hopefully after fathering many children and loving his wife to the end.
 
This seems like bad advice to someone whose brother is contracting an invalid marriage.

To the OP: you cannot attend this wedding because it would signify your approval of something that is illicit and invalid. Your brother has no dispensation to marry a non-Catholic, and he has no permission to marry outside of the Catholic Rite of Matrimony, so this is not a wedding ceremony for him, it is a one-way ticket to fornication.

The only talk you need to have is regarding your brother’s state of grace and his salvation for eternal life. The only way he will retain both of these is to stop and think rather than rushing into an invalid marriage and unlawful cohabitation. He still has a chance to return to the Church with nothing more than a good Confession and a firm resolve to observe the Precepts of the Church. His fiancée is not obligated to convert, but she should respect his Catholic faith and encourage him to do the right thing at this point rather than selfishly insist that he rush into this ceremony.

Once this couple has completed six to nine months of wedding preparation, and your brother is practicing his faith regularly, then he can tie the knot in a ceremony approved by the Catholic Church and he can begin married life with a clean conscience, an unstained soul, and an ever-increasing prospect of meeting Our Lord in Heaven at the end of his life, hopefully after fathering many children and loving his wife to the end.
Great response, I think! 👍
 
This seems like bad advice to someone whose brother is contracting an invalid marriage.

To the OP: you cannot attend this wedding because it would signify your approval of something that is illicit and invalid. Your brother has no dispensation to marry a non-Catholic, and he has no permission to marry outside of the Catholic Rite of Matrimony, so this is not a wedding ceremony for him, it is a one-way ticket to fornication.
In all likelihood, the bride was also baptised Catholic, so these are probably two Catholics not observing the faith and not getting married in the Church. This doesn’t bother the bride’s very Catholic mother…why?

I have heard that if baptised-but-left-the-Church Catholics were to form a single denomination, they would be the 2nd largest denomination in the US, after Roman Catholic. It is a strange world.
 
In all likelihood, the bride was also baptised Catholic, so these are probably two Catholics not observing the faith and not getting married in the Church. This doesn’t bother the bride’s very Catholic mother…why?

I have heard that if baptised-but-left-the-Church Catholics were to form a single denomination, they would be the 2nd largest denomination in the US, after Roman Catholic. It is a strange world.
That’s true, EasterJoy.

pewforum.org/uploadedFiles/Topics/Religious_Affiliation/faithinflux_3.pdf
 
This seems like bad advice to someone whose brother is contracting an invalid marriage.

To the OP: you cannot attend this wedding because it would signify your approval of something that is illicit and invalid. Your brother has no dispensation to marry a non-Catholic, and he has no permission to marry outside of the Catholic Rite of Matrimony, so this is not a wedding ceremony for him, it is a one-way ticket to fornication.

The only talk you need to have is regarding your brother’s state of grace and his salvation for eternal life. The only way he will retain both of these is to stop and think rather than rushing into an invalid marriage and unlawful cohabitation. He still has a chance to return to the Church with nothing more than a good Confession and a firm resolve to observe the Precepts of the Church. His fiancée is not obligated to convert, but she should respect his Catholic faith and encourage him to do the right thing at this point rather than selfishly insist that he rush into this ceremony.

Once this couple has completed six to nine months of wedding preparation, and your brother is practicing his faith regularly, then he can tie the knot in a ceremony approved by the Catholic Church and he can begin married life with a clean conscience, an unstained soul, and an ever-increasing prospect of meeting Our Lord in Heaven at the end of his life, hopefully after fathering many children and loving his wife to the end.
If you insist on all this, you’ll not only start a “family war,” but they’ll be so upset you’ll never get them to listen to you on the topic again. It’s not going to solve anything at all to do as you say. Not a thing. They’ve already made up their minds about it.
 
I am going to answer the question you actually asked, and not give an editorial or anything else.🤷

As far as I know, there is nothing wrong with the grooms father walking her down the aisle.

My own father was already dead when I was planning my wedding. I became close with my now FIL. He did indeed walk me down the aisle and was honored to do so, as he said he never would otherwise have had the opportunity because he has 4 sons! Obviously, the Church had no problem with it as our Pastor knew about it.
 
This seems like bad advice to someone whose brother is contracting an invalid marriage.

To the OP: you cannot attend this wedding because it would signify your approval of something that is illicit and invalid. Your brother has no dispensation to marry a non-Catholic, and he has no permission to marry outside of the Catholic Rite of Matrimony, so this is not a wedding ceremony for him, it is a one-way ticket to fornication.

The only talk you need to have is regarding your brother’s state of grace and his salvation for eternal life. The only way he will retain both of these is to stop and think rather than rushing into an invalid marriage and unlawful cohabitation. He still has a chance to return to the Church with nothing more than a good Confession and a firm resolve to observe the Precepts of the Church. His fiancée is not obligated to convert, but she should respect his Catholic faith and encourage him to do the right thing at this point rather than selfishly insist that he rush into this ceremony.

Once this couple has completed six to nine months of wedding preparation, and your brother is practicing his faith regularly, then he can tie the knot in a ceremony approved by the Catholic Church and he can begin married life with a clean conscience, an unstained soul, and an ever-increasing prospect of meeting Our Lord in Heaven at the end of his life, hopefully after fathering many children and loving his wife to the end.
This.

I understand the constraints of military life and trying to arrange a wedding on short notice or on leave, but there are more important issues surrounding this wedding than if the bride is sinning by having her future FIL walk her down the aisle.
 
If you insist on all this, you’ll not only start a “family war,” but they’ll be so upset you’ll never get them to listen to you on the topic again. It’s not going to solve anything at all to do as you say. Not a thing. They’ve already made up their minds about it.
And you know this because you know the couple personally? At the very least, someone should inform them they are entering into an invalid marriage. If they chose to continue with the current wedding plans, then that’s their decision. But we as Catholics are not suppose to stand by passively when we see our loved ones act against Church teachings, especially when they are Catholic themselves, especially when they are entering into an invalid marriage.
 
And you know this because you know the couple personally? At the very least, someone should inform them they are entering into an invalid marriage. If they chose to continue with the current wedding plans, then that’s their decision. But we as Catholics are not suppose to stand by passively when we see our loved ones act against Church teachings, especially when they are Catholic themselves, especially when they are entering into an invalid marriage.
I want to respectfully say that you do not know them either. The OP did not say that they have not had this discussion. They asked whether it was okay if the groom’s father walked her down the aisle. No one is addressing that.

Assuming they are having a Catholic wedding, perhaps the priest that they will need to see will sort out the bride and grooms faith life as well. Let’s give the priest credit for doing his job. One priest told me that a wedding or a baptism is sometimes what brings lapsed Catholics back to the church, by the way.

In any event, let’s not deluge the OP with information they did not even ask for. 😊
 
I want to respectfully say that you do not know them either. The OP did not say that they have not had this discussion. They asked whether it was okay if the groom’s father walked her down the aisle. No one is addressing that.

Assuming they are having a Catholic wedding, perhaps the priest that they will need to see will sort out the bride and grooms faith life as well. Let’s give the priest credit for doing his job. One priest told me that a wedding or a baptism is sometimes what brings lapsed Catholics back to the church, by the way.

In any event, let’s not deluge the OP with information they did not even ask for. 😊
A couple of posts ago, the OP said it is NOT a Catholic wedding.

To answer the original question about whether the bride having her future FIL walk her down he aisle is sinful or no and not address that this will not be a valid wedding for the bride and the OP’s brother is a bit like ignoring the elephant in the room, don’t you think?
 
A couple of posts ago, the OP said it is NOT a Catholic wedding.

To answer the original question about whether the bride having her future FIL walk her down he aisle is sinful or no and not address that this will not be a valid wedding for the bride and the OP’s brother is a bit like ignoring the elephant in the room, don’t you think?
It’s the elephant in the room, but they don’t see it. If they don’t see it, is it really there?

When people reject the Church, they reject the Church. They live their lives a different way. Yes, I know there are issues with salvation, but what can we do when we are looking in? Two non-practicing Catholics want to finally get married. Okay, it’s not in the Church but they are married. I don’t know…
 
It’s the elephant in the room, but they don’t see it. If they don’t see it, is it really there?

When people reject the Church, they reject the Church. They live their lives a different way. Yes, I know there are issues with salvation, but what can we do when we are looking in? Two non-practicing Catholics want to finally get married. Okay, it’s not in the Church but they are married. I don’t know…
I don’t know. To ask if one is sinning by having the FIL walk down the aisle with the bride while completely ignoring the other situation is similar to a person asking if they can legally make a right hand turn on a red light while driving on a suspended license. You wouldn’t put out to that person that they should be addressing the suspended license before being concerned about the legal turn on red?
 
I don’t know. To ask if one is sinning by having the FIL walk down the aisle with the bride while completely ignoring the other situation is similar to a person asking if they can legally make a right hand turn on a red light while driving on a suspended license. You wouldn’t put out to that person that they should be addressing the suspended license before being concerned about the legal turn on red?
That’s right. They offered both pieces of information and the one they’re not concerned about is the larger of the two.

The whole thing is messed up from the get-go. I don’t think it matters whether she walks down the aisle on her future father-in-law’s arm. Who cares?

If the priest lets them get away with having a Catholic wedding with all the rest of it going on, it’s not right, but it’s not my job to forbid it. Although admitting the whole thing and still wanting to go on with a “Catholic wedding” for the way it looks is pretty decrepit.

This is all somewhat crazy IMHO. If the BRIDE and GROOM are non-denominational Protestants, why aren’t they getting married in their own Church, which would be the non-denominational church down the road???

OR is the OP trying to say they’re non-practicing even as protestants and don’t have a church down the road and don’t want to get one? In which case, there is a justice of the peace at the courthouse, you know. Or you can pay somebody to officiate. Some people make their living this way. It can be expensive but a lot of people in exactly this situation do it.

I mean, if “non-practicing” IS ACTUALLY how they’re really living their lives, why should they cook up some big complicated fairy tale just for this? Really.
 
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