Brown Lives Matter, or, why Joe Biden isn't a decent man

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Just to list some countries.

Iraq
Afghanistan
Yemen
Syria
Honduras
Libya
Bahrain
Pakistan
Somalia
Uganda
Cameroon

I would like to invite everyone reading this to look up these countries in the period between 2008 and 2016. Look into the history of military intervention by foreign nations in these countries. Look into the deaths by drone strikes, bombings, coup d’etat, etc.

Need I mention who was Vice President under these actions?
 
Or how the Obama-Biden administration, despite railing against the Bush administration for its war mongering, expanded the war in Afghanistan and by tinkering around in Syria funded, trained, and paved the way for the creation of Isis? It was US money and weapons sent to the Syrian rebels to overthrow the government. Yet what did these rebels do with their money? Recruited. And what did they do with their weapons? Begin committing wholesale genocide against Christians and to a far lesser extent (but still worth mentioning), minority Muslims. And what did the Obama-Biden administration do to combat terrorism in African countries who were and still are targeting Christians for genocide? So I guess brown and black lives only matter in the months leading up to a national election. Then, after that? Business as usual.
 
Does this change what Trump has done in the ME too? Food for thought.
 
OraProNobis333 said:
Oh boo hoo. Trump said a lot of pig headed things about women. That hurts peoples feelings. It doesn’t kill people in tens of thousands.
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This goes back to an interaction I had with a lady in the days after Trump was elected. She was almost crying and I asked her what she thought of the victims of Obama’s and Biden’s actions. A guy in the room answered for her. “Trump made a joke about sexual assault!”

No word on the plethora of prison rape jokes that come out of the mouths of leftist comedians day and night.

No word on the victims of US drone strikes, coups, etc.
 
I thought mass murder was a topic?

I don’t care if people vote for Biden. But don’t whitewash him. For the love of God, don’t whitewash him. Don’t make it seem like he’s just a happy go lucky decent person with no history behind himself. Don’t make him into another Colin Powell who covered up the My Lai massacre. The dead in Honduras matter just as much. Give them that dignity.
 
Biden was VICE President, not President. Generally, Vice Presidents go along with the President, who is the Commander-in-Chief, do they not? Unless you want to make something of the term “vice” in connection to Biden, I don’t think you can pin this on him. Obama, yes; Biden, no.
 
So now it’s throw Obama under the bus time. But Biden just sat there twiddling his thumbs and we’re supposed to excuse him?
 
Biden might have offered his opinions; I am not privy to what went on in the situation room. Just as Pence cannot be blamed for the shortcomings of Trump. VP’s generally do as they are told, and the President makes the ultimate decision, particularly in matters of foreign policy and war and peace.

I have never given Obama a free ticket on his actions any more than I give Trump one.
 
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meltzerboy2 said:
Biden might have offered his opinions; I am not privy to what went on in the situation room. Just as Pence cannot be blamed for the shortcomings of Trump. VP’s generally do as they are told, and the President makes the ultimate decision, particularly in matters of foreign policy.

I have never given Obama a free ticket on his actions any more than I give Trump one.
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Time for purity tests!

I just want someone to answer me this: did a little Afghan boy count as much as a victim of Trump’s?
 
StudentMI said:
No word on the victims of US drone strikes, coups, etc.
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Military interventionism, 165,000 US troops in more than 150 countries all over the world, and yet at the same time, American cities are burning, American businesses are being looted and ransacked, 70 year old man has been beaten up for trying to protect his business from the mob of looting protestors, and where is the protection for them? Yes, it is nice that Americans are protecting the Afghans, protecting the Germans, protecting the Polish, protecting the Japanese, protecting 150 countries around the world, but how about a little help for this old man who was knocked unconscious with a broken jaw as he tried to save his business in Wisconsin. And how many other American businesses have been burned down as the police and the security do little to save them. People have been rioting in Portland Oregon for more than 80 days now, with no end in sight. Businesses are leaving. why should they stay when the mobs are free to loot, steal, ransack and burn them down while security is helpless.
Portland protests: 13 events declared riots in more than 80 days, police say | KATU.
And much of the US interventionism is counter productive, creating more and new problems that were never there before.
 
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Since this makes about as much sense as our foreign policy, I present

 
OraProNobis333 said:
Oh boo hoo. Trump said a lot of pig headed things about women. That hurts peoples feelings. It doesn’t kill people in tens of thousands. And for the women who accused him of assault, none have made a credible case. Besides, even if they did, do you really want to use that as an argument “for” Biden/Harris? Uncle no touch Biden who can’t keep his hands off young women/little girls and can’t keep his nose out of their hair? Or Harris whose entire career was earned through sleeping around
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What on earth does this have to do with the topic of this thread?
 
This is true, but Trump is not necessarily much better. I remember when he was supposed to be an anti-war candidate, and then his administration launched a missile attack on a Syrian air base (2017 Shayrat missile strike - Wikipedia). There was outrage over this from his anti-war voters for a short period, but they eventually got over it and there hasn’t been the same kind of outrage over anything since.

There is never going to be an anti-war American president. There is just too much at stake economically for America to ever give up foreign intervention. The arms industry is worth hundreds of billions of dollars and American companies need access to foreign markets and resources, which wars provide before they’ve even ended and any “nation building” has taken place. The sad fact is that American foreign policy does make sense.
 
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Because it didn’t start a war and didn’t drag more troops in.
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Yeah, his administration might have caused hundreds of civilian deaths, but at least our American boys are safe.

There hasn’t been any real sustained effort to back out of the Middle East, and in lots of regions involvement has increased. Besides, the policy of funding various militant groups that fight each other while also giving arms to the Saudis so they can funnel them back to ISIS has not necessarily been more “sensible”, from the point of view of the average American. From the point of view of commerce it is obviously a great idea.
 
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There is never going to be an anti-war American president.
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I’m afraid I have to agree, at least in the foreseeable future. And you make some great points about Trump.

My issue is that they’re trying to whitewash Biden. No, any criticism or bringing up his past has to be shot down as soon as they come up. Witness the posts here about ‘picking a topic’ and ‘wandering’. They know very well what the topic is but again, they have to shoot it down because it might raise questions about their guy. All I ask is that people who are voting for him because he’s not Trump just admit it, and not try to make Biden out to be the best fit imaginable. Don’t be so partisan. Look reality in the face.

And then you have the Democrats who sincerely believe all of our actions were good in the instances listed above. I have nothing to say to them. The neocon spirit has infected them.

The issue, as well, for me is the hypocrisy about war. When it was Bush you never saw the end of criticism of the wars. You had books coming out one after the other, great books, detailing the American empire and how it functions and why it’s a bad idea. It was great, in a way. You had a true bipartisan spirit and there was an attempt to forge these two sides into one cohesive movement.

And then Obama happened. And conspicuously, a lot of the criticism stopped. The real people who opposed war kept right at it, and God bless them for it. But it was noticeably lacking in many departments. Then you had the split among leftists over Libya, which I’ve never understood. Libya was pure imperialism. As one book put it, Arab Spring, Libyan winter. And the apologetics of the liberals here in the States? Ugh.

And now we have Trump. And because most of the conflicts he’s involved in spring from Obama’s day, no criticism. Indeed I’ve seen criticism that Trump isn’t interventionist enough. Yeah that’s what America needs to be, more interventionist. :roll_eyes:
 
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