CA Live and Neanderthals

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I listened to and watched (part of) Catholic Answers Live for the first time tonight.There was a question someone asked that bothers me. It either wasn’t answered by Jimmy Akin or I tuned in too late.
The question was this:

Jimmy, I read an article today that said Neanderthals had more similar behavioral characteristics to Homo Sapians than previously thought, like burying the dead. What implications would this have on understanding the human soul?
(And my question) and does THAT contradict the Bible, Christianity or Catholicism in particular?
 
Neandertals are us. They were isolated humans and we have their DNA.
 
buffalo said:
Neandertals are us. They were isolated humans and we have their DNA.
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Us in the sense that they were the same genus - Homo. Therefore human. But not the same species as us. Homo neanderthal and Homo sapien are sub species of the genus.

Their dna (which is about 4%) may have come about due to interbreeding at some point.
 
They were human. The differences are the same we see today. As in Arnold Schwarzenegger and Danny DeVito, different, yet both human.
 
We shouldn’t even accept the theory of evolution and scientific classifications such as Neanderthal.

The theory is naturalistic and illogical. It attributes creative powers to natural processes that they cannot possibly have, and it presumes, without sound reason, that similar traits between species are the result of common ancestry.

The classifications of supposed ancestors of humans are based on the idea of the evolution of species, which is itself wrong. Species exist as particular creatures that have immediate beginnings. They don’t exist as mere mutable populations or gene pools. If the creatures that are called Neanderthals were related to humans, they were entirely human, not a different species. They were human ancestors, not an ancestral species of humans.
 
anthony022071 said:
We shouldn’t even accept the theory of evolution and scientific classifications such as Neanderthal.

If the creatures that are called Neanderthals were related to humans, they were entirely human, not a different species. They were human ancestors, not an ancestral species of humans.
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If you are going to knock biology and evolution then you should really try not to post anything that shows that you don’t understand either subject.

How can you possibly reject something if you have no knowledge of it?
 
So um…
  1. how did we scientists actually collect Neanderthal DNA?
  2. How can we be sure its not contaminated DNA?
Its claimed we have between 1 and 4% DNA from Neanderthals unless we are sub saharan.
But these theories rely on the theory we all (besides the sub saharans) , walked out of Africa 60k years ago.

And every ancient human line from the great out of Africa migration bred at some point with neanderthals. So all these ancient human lines had to be in friendly or adversarial contact with neanderthals. ( the seven daughters of eve theory for the ancient human lines)
We do know humans first settled between the Tigris and Euphrates 10k years ago and domesticated grain and some mammals, ( no doubt chooks too).

The theory of everyone out of Africa is one that a good contingent of scientists dont buy anymore. Especially since that cave discovery in Indonesia.
 
I have no problem with the concept of evolution as I am sure God created the soul and spirit within the Neanderthals. God could and can do anything, anyway He wants. Peace.
 
I personally think that the true evolutionary process is too sophisticated and complex to be random. I think a Mind far greater than ours brought it into being, and that Mind is God. I see absolutely no conflict with science. The Bible does not tell us HOW God created us, only that He did. God is perfectly capable of bringing about humans and animals by the evolutionary process. We just don’t appreciate the magnitude of His abilities and intellect.
 
anthony022071 said:
We shouldn’t even accept the theory of evolution and scientific classifications such as Neanderthal.

The theory is naturalistic and illogical. It attributes creative powers to natural processes that they cannot possibly have, and it presumes, without sound reason, that similar traits between species are the result of common ancestry.

The classifications of supposed ancestors of humans are based on the idea of the evolution of species, which is itself wrong. Species exist as particular creatures that have immediate beginnings. They don’t exist as mere mutable populations or gene pools. If the creatures that are called Neanderthals were related to humans, they were entirely human, not a different species. They were human ancestors, not an ancestral species of humans.
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Evolution is really evolutionism. It is not empirical in that it is not observable, repeatable or predictable.

As we speak the modern synthesis is toppling.
 
CB_Catholic said:
I personally think that the true evolutionary process is too sophisticated and complex to be random. I think a Mind far greater than ours brought it into being, and that Mind is God. I see absolutely no conflict with science. The Bible does not tell us HOW God created us, only that He did. God is perfectly capable of bringing about humans and animals by the evolutionary process. We just don’t appreciate the magnitude of His abilities and intellect.
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Life seems to be front loaded with information and instructions.

** What is IDvolution? **

**IDvolution **- God “breathed” the super language of DNA into the “kinds” in the creative act.

This accounts for the diversity of life we see. The core makeup shared by all living things have the necessary complex information built in that facilitates rapid and responsive adaptation of features and variation while being able to preserve the “kind” that they began as. Life has been created with the creativity built in ready to respond to triggering events.
Since it has been demonstrated that all living organisms on Earth have the same core, it is virtually certain that living organisms have been thought of AT ONCE by the One and the same Creator endowed with the super language we know as DNA that switched on the formation of the various kinds, the cattle, the swimming creatures, the flying creatures, etc… in a pristine harmonious state and superb adaptability and responsiveness to their environment for the purpose of populating the earth that became subject to the ravages of corruption by the sin of one man (deleterious mutations).
IDvolution considers the latest science and is consistent with the continuous teaching of the Church. idvolution.org
 
tomarin said:
Has the moderators’ ban on discussing evolution been lifted?
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Yes. Although in light of some of the posts I’ve been reading since it was lifted, I’m not sure it’s a good thing as far as Catholics are concerned. There are way too many posters who exhibit a serious lack of knowledge of the subject and post the most nonsensical statements.
 
Bradski said:
If you are going to knock biology and evolution then you should really try not to post anything that shows that you don’t understand either subject.

How can you possibly reject something if you have no knowledge of it?
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How can you know what someone else knows? May I politely point out that this “you must accept evolution” thing has been going on for years here? Why? I’ve never gotten an answer to why.

Could it be that human origins must be relegated to we were once swimming in the ocean to what we are today? That throws God out of the picture entirely since one alternate adaptation here or there and we could be humanoid reptiles today. I hope you understand where I’m coming from since God created us male and female, not single celled organisms that “decided” to get together and become more complex, multi-celled organisms one day.

Respectfully,
Ed
 
CB_Catholic said:
I personally think that the true evolutionary process is too sophisticated and complex to be random. I think a Mind far greater than ours brought it into being, and that Mind is God. I see absolutely no conflict with science. The Bible does not tell us HOW God created us, only that He did. God is perfectly capable of bringing about humans and animals by the evolutionary process. We just don’t appreciate the magnitude of His abilities and intellect.
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Scripture has nothing about other humanoids or hominids or proto-humans. Even to an uneducated people, they could have wrote: “In ages long past, men were like animals and behaved like animals, but they gradually changed and became the men you are today.” But they didn’t.

Ed
 
edwest2 said:
How can you know what someone else knows? May I politely point out that this “you must accept evolution” thing has been going on for years here? Why? I’ve never gotten an answer to why.

Could it be that human origins must be relegated to we were once swimming in the ocean to what we are today? That throws God out of the picture entirely since one alternate adaptation here or there and we could be humanoid reptiles today. I hope you understand where I’m coming from since God created us male and female, not single celled organisms that “decided” to get together and become more complex, multi-celled organisms one day.
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I know what other people know because they post about it. And the numbers who know very little about evolution yet post a great deal of nonsense are legion.

And why don’t you think that God might have set things up so that we would end up here and now via a process which we now call evolution?

Don’t you think He could have done that? It seems odd that He has left all these clues as to His method but so many people seem intent on ignoring them.

I’d bet He’s feeling pretty frustrated…
 
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