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Ora_et_Labora_1
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Since the feast of St. Joseph will be this Saturday, does that mean that Mass will not be commemorated as part of Embertide? Is Lent’s Ember days reduced to 2 days this year?
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JReducation
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I don’t have a copy of the Roman Liturgical calendar. I only have the Franciscan liturgical calendar. However, I believe that they coincide on this one. The Solemnity of St.Joseph comes to an end at vespers on Saturday and the Second Sunday of Lent begins.
On our calendar, what it omitted is Evening Prayer I for the Second Sunday of Lent. It is replaced by Evening Prayer II for the Solemnity of St. Joseph. The mass for the Second Sunday will be celebrated after Vespers.
Fraternally,
Br. JR, OSF
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laszlo
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Until 1955 even semiduplex feasts had precedence over the Ember days, so e.g St Cyril of Jerusalem was celebrated yesterday (Friday) instead of the ember Fryday; the ember day was only commemorated.
Between 1955 and 1970 the ember days were elevated in rank, so only first and second class feasts preceded them. St Joseph is 1st class.
The 1970 missal of Liturgy of the Hours does not mention the ember days.
Between 1955 and 1970 the ember days were elevated in rank, so only first and second class feasts preceded them. St Joseph is 1st class.
The 1970 missal of Liturgy of the Hours does not mention the ember days.
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Ora_et_Labora_1
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Ineteresting. So should this lead us to believe that the importance of Ember Days was slowly diminishing?
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OraLabora
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Interesting. The Ordo of our Benedictine Abbey indicates that tonight is 1st Vespers of the second Sunday in Lent.
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Joe_Kelley
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Our diocesan ORDO specifies it that way also.
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JReducation
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Well, there goes my theory that they agree on this one.
The diocesan ordo I understand. They follow the Roman calendar. I did not know that the Benedictines followed the Roman calendar. I thought they had their own.
We don’t follow the Roman liturgical calendar. We have our own. We sort of weave in and around the Roman calendar.
Fraternally,
Br. JR, OSF
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OraLabora
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Yes, the Benedictines do use their own; ours is specific to the Solesmes congregation with local variations thrown in (such as feasts specific to Canada). That said, there are lots of places where the Benedictine and Roman calendars do align. But this isn’t so much a calendar issue, methinks, as an issue of interpreting the hierarchy of feasts, and it would appear that the Roman and Benedictine calendars are using the same rules.Well, there goes my theory that they agree on this one.
The diocesan ordo I understand. They follow the Roman calendar. I did not know that the Benedictines followed the Roman calendar. I thought they had their own.
We don’t follow the Roman liturgical calendar. We have our own. We sort of weave in and around the Roman calendar.
Fraternally,
Br. JR, OSF
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JReducation
Guest
That would make sense, because the Benedictines in the West and the Basilians in the East have always set the pace for the liturgical life of the Churches. The different Catholic Churches really adapted themselves to them, not the other way around.
Franciscans, Dominicans, Carmelites, Carthusians, Jesuits et al are later arrivals. By the time that we come along, the Benedictines and Basilians are well established. They went down their own liturgical paths with their own rites or forms, as well as calendars.
Fraternally,
Br. JR, OSF
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Annabelle_Marie
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Our Diocese has them…four times a year, I think…
I just know this Wed is one of them…
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