Call Legislators on Healthcare

[CPA2]

Call your legislators on Heralthcare. Ask to speak to the “Healthcare Legislative Assistant.” Chances are you will get voice mail. Ask a question such as, “where is healthcare in the Constitution,” or any othe question that you may have. If you do not get a reply, call the “Chief of Staff” in Congress and report that you did not get a response from your legislator.

 

[philbushman]

hi. i’m from England and I assure you having national healthcare is not the first step on the road to Communism.
It puzzles us here what objection there could possibly be to healthcare for all.
Is it a case of very powerful vested interests afraid of losing the goose that lays them golden eggs?
Insurance /medical corporations spreading misinformation combined with credulous politicians who may or may not be getting backhanders to push scare stories about “socialised medicine” seem to have massive influence over there
Jesus would be angry at the pursuit of profit being the motive for healing the sick

PHIL G.
)

 

[Big_Ro]

Thanks for the reminder!! I need to call and let them know that if they don’t vote for healthcare I won’t vote for them.

 

[Sailor_Kenshin]

Call your legislators on Heralthcare. Ask to speak to the “Healthcare Legislative Assistant.” Chances are you will get voice mail. Ask a question such as, “where is healthcare in the Constitution,” or any othe question that you may have. If you do not get a reply, call the “Chief of Staff” in Congress and report that you did not get a response from your legislator.

I can’t even get through!

Oh, Phil—how sad that living under the soft tyranny of socialism has blinded you to the fact that we can NEVER render unto Caesar what is God’s. It is always a grave moral evil to do so, and Jesus would most certainly not be pleased.

 

[CPA2]

hi. i’m from England and I assure you having national healthcare is not the first step on the road to Communism.
It puzzles us here what objection there could possibly be to healthcare for all.
Is it a case of very powerful vested interests afraid of losing the goose that lays them golden eggs?
Insurance /medical corporations spreading misinformation combined with credulous politicians who may or may not be getting backhanders to push scare stories about “socialised medicine” seem to have massive influence over there
Jesus would be angry at the pursuit of profit being the motive for healing the sick

PHIL G.
)

Government caused the high price of health care. Now government wants to solve the problerm that they created!

Rep. Paul Broun, R-Ga, a physician who serves on the House Science and Technology Committee and the House Homeland Security Committee had the following to say about Health Care Reform:

“Government intrusion into the system has caused a marked escalation in the price of health insurance, drugs in the drugstore, hospital bills and doctor bills – all healthcare costs are being forced upward in a very skyrocketing way because of government intrusion. The marketplace unencumbered by taxes and regulations is the best way to ensure the best quantity and quality of all healthcare services”

 

[josephdavid]

Call your legislators on Heralthcare. Ask to speak to the “Healthcare Legislative Assistant.” Chances are you will get voice mail. Ask a question such as, “where is healthcare in the Constitution,” or any othe question that you may have. If you do not get a reply, call the “Chief of Staff” in Congress and report that you did not get a response from your legislator.

It is in the Preamble along with Section 1 Article 8

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

Defintion of Welfare:
welfare n. 1. health, happiness, or prosperity; well-being. <ME wel faren, to fare well] Source: AHD
Welfare in today’s context also means organized efforts on the part of public or private organizations to benefit the poor, or simply public assistance. This is not the meaning of the word as used in the Constitution.
usconstitution.net/glossary.html#WELFARE

 

[CPA2]

It is in the Preamble along with Section 1 Article 8

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

Defintion of Welfare:
welfare n. 1. health, happiness, or prosperity; well-being. <ME wel faren, to fare well] Source: AHD
Welfare in today’s context also means organized efforts on the part of public or private organizations to benefit the poor, or simply public assistance. This is not the meaning of the word as used in the Constitution.
usconstitution.net/glossary.html#WELFARE

Politicians do not use the same dictionary that we use. When they have a problem, they redefine the word.

It is immoral to have a national debt in the name of “welfare.” Legislators are stealing from future generations and are destroying our country.

It is time that Catholics unite and clean house (White House, House of Representatives, and the Senate)." This is especially true of politicians who call themselves Catholic, but are really Secularists. It is our House. It is we who tell the politicians what to do, not the other way around. Politicians do not have the right to force “health care” down our throats! I have never seen the people so angry over one issue. We will not forget in November!

 

[josephdavid]

Politicians do not use the same dictionary that we use. When they have a problem, they redefine the word.

It is immoral to have a national debt in the name of “welfare.” Legislators are stealing from future generations and are destroying our country.

Read the writings of Payne, Hamilton. Even Jefferson agreed what General Welfare, although Jefferson was a bit more minimalist as compared to Payne and Hamilton.

It is time that Catholics unite and clean house (White House, House of Representatives, and the Senate)." This is especially true of politicians who call themselves Catholic, but are really Secularists. It is our House. It is we who tell the politicians what to do, not the other way around. Politicians do not have the right to force “health care” down our throats! I have never seen the people so angry over one issue. We will not forget in November!

1. We are a secular society. Again read the writings of Jefferson and et al. Even Washington signed the Tripoli Treaty and in his own handwriting said “The United States was not founded as a Christian nation.”
2. Then take your pick. On one hand you expect Catholic politicians to uphold their faith but then you say they should not. What is it?

Remember 56% of Americans voted for Obama and other Democrat candidates in 2008. All ran on the issue of reforming healthcare which included a public option and government intervention. So it is hardly cramming down our throats.

 

[CPA2]

Read the writings of Payne, Hamilton. Even Jefferson agreed what General Welfare, although Jefferson was a bit more minimalist as compared to Payne and Hamilton.

1. We are a secular society. Again read the writings of Jefferson and et al. Even Washington signed the Tripoli Treaty and in his own handwriting said “The United States was not founded as a Christian nation.”
2. Then take your pick. On one hand you expect Catholic politicians to uphold their faith but then you say they should not. What is it?

Remember 56% of Americans voted for Obama and other Democrat candidates in 2008. All ran on the issue of reforming healthcare which included a public option and government intervention. So it is hardly cramming down our throats.

The entire U.S. economy (Main Street) is going down for the count. Government is only a parasite; it cannot create wealth.

Governments cannot repeal the laws of economics. People will continue to operate in their own best self-interests, including me. Obama Care will just be an additional burden on me as a small business owner. I will be moving and I will reopen a CPA practice in another city. At one time I had as many as 45 employees. For the first time in my life I will not hire an employee. I do not want to pay the federal government for the privilege of hiring employees!

 

[josephdavid]

The entire U.S. economy (Main Street) is going down for the count. Government is only a parasite; it cannot create wealth.

Because the government with support of large corporations institutes unfair trade agreements and practices with other countries. Perhaps you prefer to exploit labor in countries with Communist or military dictatorships?

Who said the government creates wealth? I never said that. The government can protect wealth. The government can protect the average American along with the wealthy American.

Governments cannot repeal the laws of economics. People will continue to operate in their own best self-interests, including me.

Never said that wrong. Neither does scripture unless your own self interest affects others in a negative way.

Obama Care will just be an additional burden on me as a small business owner.

Explain how please?

I will be moving and I will reopen a CPA practice in another city. At one time I had as many as 45 employees. For the first time in my life **I will not hire an employee. **

Why?

I do not want to pay the federal government for the privilege of hiring employees!

Did not the federal and some state governments (depending on which state you are in) are giving tax breaks to those who do?

 

[timotheos]

I have called, emailed his office may times. He has indicated he is going with the party (D). At my state’s Republican convention yesterday all the delegates (about 1400 of them) called him or his office and jammed up the lines. I think he is toast this November.

If they simply stuck to reforming healthcare, instead of inserting government into the payer role, abortion provider role (you know it’s true, if it wasn’t you’d be hearing from PP nonstop), IRS-expansion-thug role, student loan-takeover role, private business-burdening role, Medicare-cutting role, and general government-expansion role, they wouldn’t be getting the flak they are getting now. Even so, they are getting off very easy in my estimation, because the folks who will really be affected are still playing with dolls and Legos.

josephdavid, your exchange with CPA2 is really none of my business, so take my comment like a f**t in the wind if you want. But if this bill passes, I think you are about to get a lesson in how the private business world operates and exists: because of dreams, freedoms, initiative, risk and hard work. CPA2 has the ability to build a medium-sized business and hire employees, but he doesn’t owe to anyone the creation of a job for them. I am in awe of people like CPA2, or Donald Trump, or Bill Gates, not because of their worth, but because of their dreams and initiative, and their ability to create job opportunities for people who do not have these abilities. When government takes these gifted people for granted, and puts the screws to them as it is trying to do now, expect them to be a bit less enthusiastic about maintaining the status quo.

 

[josephdavid]

josephdavid, your exchange with CPA2 is really none of my business, so take my comment like a f**t in the wind if you want. But if this bill passes, I think you are about to get a lesson in how the private business world operates and exists: because of dreams, freedoms, initiative, risk and hard work. CPA2 has the ability to build a medium-sized business and hire employees, but he doesn’t owe to anyone the creation of a job for them. I am in awe of people like CPA2, or Donald Trump, or Bill Gates, not because of their worth, but because of their dreams and initiative, and their ability to create job opportunities for people who do not have these abilities. When government takes these gifted people for granted, and puts the screws to them as it is trying to do now, expect them to be a bit less enthusiastic about maintaining the status quo.

First of being that I am posting in a public forum, it is your business to post.

Secondly being that I work (consulting) with many small business (in particular in manufacturing) which has seen the steady decline of manufacturing done here thus the loss of good paying jobs via the government and mult-national corporations, I do have a good idea how private world operates.

Name one thing the beloved Republican Party or any Convervative has done for manufacturing and jobs here in the U.S? Name one thing that they have done for 75% of purchasing power here in the U.S. which is the middle class?

You ok with our politicians and many large corporations supporting the exportation of jobs which in fact are going to countries like China which is a dictatorship (Communist), pays slave wages and subjects them to environmental contamination and unsafe work conditions.

By the way the CEO does not provide jobs. I will quote a client of mine who is a private family owned manufacturer. “I do not provide jobs. My customer provides jobs. Without demand I do not have a business. My job is to provide a quality product, competitive price and quality service.” He work is moldwork towards automotive (after-market). His pricing is much higher than the chinese in its initial cost. However he is best value over-all because he has great delivery, his product is manufactured right the first time. He pays wages competitve to that of unionized shop and provides continuous training and cross training.

Without demand you do not have an economy. Without wealth you do not have demand (simple economics). Government or Business alone do not create jobs. It is the consumer with their wealth. You can give all the money you want to the wealthy 2-5% but if the 75% of your per capita GDP (the middle class) have no money to spend (on such things as investments, cars, furniture, shoes, paper, magazines, houses, lumber, appliances) then there are no jobs to create.

 

[CPA2]

I have called, emailed his office may times. He has indicated he is going with the party (D). At my state’s Republican convention yesterday all the delegates (about 1400 of them) called him or his office and jammed up the lines. I think he is toast this November.

If they simply stuck to reforming healthcare, instead of inserting government into the payer role, abortion provider role (you know it’s true, if it wasn’t you’d be hearing from PP nonstop), IRS-expansion-thug role, student loan-takeover role, private business-burdening role, Medicare-cutting role, and general government-expansion role, they wouldn’t be getting the flak they are getting now. Even so, they are getting off very easy in my estimation, because the folks who will really be affected are still playing with dolls and Legos.

josephdavid, your exchange with CPA2 is really none of my business, so take my comment like a f**t in the wind if you want. But if this bill passes, I think you are about to get a lesson in how the private business world operates and exists: because of dreams, freedoms, initiative, risk and hard work. CPA2 has the ability to build a medium-sized business and hire employees, but he doesn’t owe to anyone the creation of a job for them. I am in awe of people like CPA2, or Donald Trump, or Bill Gates, not because of their worth, but because of their dreams and initiative, and their ability to create job opportunities for people who do not have these abilities. When government takes these gifted people for granted, and puts the screws to them as it is trying to do now, expect them to be a bit less enthusiastic about maintaining the status quo.

You nailed it on the head! This Obama Care is the straw that breaks the camel’s back for this entrepreneur. I will have gone from a high of 45 employees to 0 employees in my lifetime! That is my choice.

There is a shortage of CPAs and the increase in regulatory burden only increases the demand for my services. However, I now choose to touch every number myself. I will be a one man band. I will not hire another employee!

The Democrats vote for socialism. However, I vote against socialism every day with my dollars. I think that I will become happier without the government hassle over employees. I also think that my firm will be more profitable when I exchange my manager’s hat for becomming 100% involved in production. I am looking forward to the move!

 

[timotheos]

First of being that I am posting in a public forum, it is your business to post.

Secondly being that I work (consulting) with many small business (in particular in manufacturing) which has seen the steady decline of manufacturing done here thus the loss of good paying jobs via the government and mult-national corporations, I do have a good idea how private world operates.

Name one thing the beloved Republican Party or any Convervative has done for manufacturing and jobs here in the U.S? Name one thing that they have done for 75% of purchasing power here in the U.S. which is the middle class?

You ok with our politicians and many large corporations supporting the exportation of jobs which in fact are going to countries like China which is a dictatorship (Communist), pays slave wages and subjects them to environmental contamination and unsafe work conditions.

By the way the CEO does not provide jobs. I will quote a client of mine who is a private family owned manufacturer. “I do not provide jobs. My customer provides jobs. Without demand I do not have a business. My job is to provide a quality product, competitive price and quality service.” He work is moldwork towards automotive (after-market). His pricing is much higher than the chinese in its initial cost. However he is best value over-all because he has great delivery, his product is manufactured right the first time. He pays wages competitve to that of unionized shop and provides continuous training and cross training.

Without demand you do not have an economy. Without wealth you do not have demand (simple economics). Government or Business alone do not create jobs. It is the consumer with their wealth. You can give all the money you want to the wealthy 2-5% but if the 75% of your per capita GDP (the middle class) have no money to spend (on such things as investments, cars, furniture, shoes, paper, magazines, houses, lumber, appliances) then there are no jobs to create.

josephdavid,

Funny thing about these forums, you never know who you are talking to! I did not give you enough credit for having some knowledge on the subject. Sorry.

Loss of jobs overseas is a big problem. And who is positioned to stop this? Whoever can apply taxes on imports to equalize trade deficits, and who can regulate US business with overseas branches and ties. That would be government. But that conjures images of big bad government protectionism, and not allowing “good” free trade that allows citizens access to low-price foreign-made goods. You gotta apply the standards across the board. You can’t expect some companies to keep jobs in the US, and be able to compete with those companies who outsource.

The beloved Republican party needs a little shakeup too, hence my involvement this year as a delegate. I am still not convinced they will live up to their rhetoric, but at least I was part of the process.

I don’t “give” any money to the wealthiest 2-5%, but even if they end up with some of it, who am I to say they shouldn’t have it? If I want to be wealthy, I am free to pursue it also. If you are concerned about the gap between the richest and the poorest, I’d guess that the local free market is not operating correctly. Our government should be less concerned about the global free market. See paragraph #2.

I am glad you are concerned about American jobs. So am I. But moving sectors of the economy to the public realm is not the answer, in my opinion.

Tim

 

[josephdavid]

josephdavid,

Funny thing about these forums, you never know who you are talking to! I did not give you enough credit for having some knowledge on the subject. Sorry.

Loss of jobs overseas is a big problem. And who is positioned to stop this? Whoever can apply taxes on imports to equalize trade deficits, and who can regulate US business with overseas branches and ties. That would be government. But that conjures images of big bad government protectionism, and not allowing “good” free trade that allows citizens access to low-price foreign-made goods. You gotta apply the standards across the board. You can’t expect some companies to keep jobs in the US, and be able to compete with those companies who outsource.

The beloved Republican party needs a little shakeup too, hence my involvement this year as a delegate. I am still not convinced they will live up to their rhetoric, but at least I was part of the process.

I don’t “give” any money to the wealthiest 2-5%, but even if they end up with some of it, who am I to say they shouldn’t have it? If I want to be wealthy, I am free to pursue it also. If you are concerned about the gap between the richest and the poorest, I’d guess that the local free market is not operating correctly. Our government should be less concerned about the global free market. See paragraph #2.

I am glad you are concerned about American jobs. So am I. But moving sectors of the economy to the public realm is not the answer, in my opinion.

Tim

I never said the wealthiest 2 - 5% should not have their incomes. I know many that have earned that type of income and believe me they work just as hard as the guy on the factory floor. Have that said they can also afford a little more to invest in the country. I believe the pre-Bush marginal tax rate of 39% was a good equilibrium which was balancing budgets, with out harming the economy.

I am not saying the government should regulate non-bailout companies executive pay but the government AND especially you and I should be protesting some of these executives that take themselves first over their company. How much is too much? How many people can they employ with their excessive pay? How much of that can be used to invest in their companies? Much of this excessive pay is not based on performance but it is to be expected EVEN IF THEY QUIT! But of course many Republicans that post on here will tell you the unions are the cause of this. Funny how unions like the UAW for the past 10 - 15 years continued to make conessions in their pay (going downwards) all the while the CEO and other executive pay for the same auto companies, continued to go up.

With regards to the subject of this thread. The Reconcilliation Bill will have no public option but instead will do their job and regulate the insurance industries, provide subsidies to those who need it. If I am correct the only thing Congress and the President could not accomplish is to taking the Inusrance companies off exempt status of Anti-Trust laws. It is the job of the goverment to protect it citizens. It has been proven time and time again people who run Big business will not protect the interest of American people. Even Greenspan said he was wrong that businesses would regulate themselves.

 

[timotheos]

I never said the wealthiest 2 - 5% should not have their incomes. I know many that have earned that type of income and believe me they work just as hard as the guy on the factory floor. Have that said they can also afford a little more to invest in the country. I believe the pre-Bush marginal tax rate of 39% was a good equilibrium which was balancing budgets, with out harming the economy.

I am not saying the government should regulate non-bailout companies executive pay but the government AND especially you and I should be protesting some of these executives that take themselves first over their company. How much is too much? How many people can they employ with their excessive pay? How much of that can be used to invest in their companies? Much of this excessive pay is not based on performance but it is to be expected EVEN IF THEY QUIT! But of course many Republicans that post on here will tell you the unions are the cause of this. Funny how unions like the UAW for the past 10 - 15 years continued to make conessions in their pay (going downwards) all the while the CEO and other executive pay for the same auto companies, continued to go up.

A lot of guys on the factory floor work hard. And as the CCC says, they are entitled to an honest and just wage. You can argue what constitutes honest and just, but in the free market with healthy competition, product prices, wages and CEO compensation all kinda equals out. Everybody competes for workers via salaries, and market share via prices. Product quality is a factor. And yes, CEO compensation sure seems obscene, almost like NFL salaries and guarantees, but I would bet it doesn’t affect the bottom line as much as people think.

If the CEO of the employer I work for gave his entire $800,000 salary to our 4000 workers, that would amount to about $200 apiece. That’s less than $20 per month. So his salary is not making the difference between employees’ poverty and prosperity. And his worth to the business is definitely worth at least $20 per employee per month. I would bet the same were true for most other businesses also. Now, when these businesses export jobs, my generosity for CEO comp falls off pretty sharply, and I would not be opposed to government intervention making this a financially less attractive option.

But we’re not talking about the real reason for most discussions of this sort. And like it or not, envy is the main operative. We always look at the guy who has more.