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kage_ar
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Call your Parish office tomorrow morning, schedule an appointment to speak with one of your Priests.
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JReducation
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That’s what many of us have been saying. Unless someone is about to die, you can make an appointment.
I can’t help feeling that this conversation is more about power, than it is about confession. Like many conversations on these forums when it comes to the clergy, there are some who argue a point because their clergy will not do as they want them to do.
That’s not about right and wrong. That’s about control. If we keep up with this kind of reasoning we will have entire threads of lay bishops and major superiors.
At some point, we have to trust our clergy and religious and give them room to be the persons they are meant to be. We have to believe that they do not want to do us harm or send us to hell in hand-baskets.
All of us have to learn to be people of peace. Today is a good day to begin.
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thistle
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Your contrition is only sufficient if it is perfect contrition and not imperfect contrition.That is if there is a priest on the battlefield. I’m telling you, this is what our friars have often said when people try to go to confession and are unable to do so. If you have the intention and the disposition, and you are unable to confess, you are not culpable for that. You contrition is sufficient.
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JReducation
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Here is what Aquinas has to say on the matter and the Church has applied this for centuries.
**As the purpose of confessing is united to contrition, a man is bound to have this purpose when he is bound to have contrition, viz. when he calls his sins to mind, and chiefly when he is in danger of death, or when he is so circumstanced that unless his sin be forgiven, he must fall into another sin: for instance, if a priest be bound to say Mass, and a confessor is at hand, he is bound to confess or, if there be no confessor, he is bound at least to contrition and to have the purpose of confessing. **
newadvent.org/summa/5006.htm#article5
This is the case that the OP presented. Contrition with the purpose of confession is acceptable as long as the person follows through on the purpose. The exception is if not confession will lead to another mortal sin such as receiving communion.
Again Aquinas repeats himself on the desire to receive the sacrament.
**Christ’s Passion, without whose power, neither original nor actual sin is remitted, produces its effect in us through the reception of the sacraments which derive their efficacy from it. Wherefore for the remission of both actual and original sin, a sacrament of the Church is necessary, received either actually, or at least in desire, when a man fails to receive the sacrament actually, through an unavoidable obstacle, and not through contempt. **
Regarding physical impossibility of confessing (i.e. sudden death):
1484 "Individual, integral confession and absolution remain the only ordinary way for the faithful to reconcile themselves with God and the Church, unless physical or moral impossibility excuses from this kind of confession."95 There are profound reasons for this. Christ is at work in each of the sacraments. He personally addresses every sinner: "My son, your sins are forgiven."96 He is the physician tending each one of the sick who need him to cure them.97 He raises them up and reintegrates them into fraternal communion. Personal confession is thus the form most expressive of reconciliation with God and with the Church (CCC)
If a person dies before he is able to confess, was sorry for their sins and planned on going to confession at the next available opportunity, such a person has a physical impossibility that excuses him from sacramental confession. The same would apply to the soldier on the battlefield.
Do you see where this is coming from?
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thistle
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Contrition
CCC 1451 Among the penitent’s acts contrition occupies first place. Contrition is “sorrow of the soul and detestation for the sin committed, together with the resolution not to sin again.”
CCC 1452 When it arises from a love by which God is loved above all else, contrition is called “perfect” (contrition of charity). Such contrition remits venial sins; it also obtains forgiveness of mortal sins if it includes the firm resolution to have recourse to sacramental confession as soon as possible.
CCC 1453 The contrition called “imperfect” (or “attrition”) is also a gift of God, a prompting of the Holy Spirit. It is born of the consideration of sin’s ugliness or the fear of eternal damnation and the other penalties threatening the sinner (contrition of fear). Such a stirring of conscience can initiate an interior process which, under the prompting of grace, will be brought to completion by sacramental absolution. By itself however, imperfect contrition cannot obtain the forgiveness of grave sins, but it disposes one to obtain forgiveness in the sacrament of Penance.
CCC 1454 The reception of this sacrament ought to be prepared for by an examination of conscience made in the light of the Word of God. The passages best suited to this can be found in the Ten Commandments, the moral catechesis of the Gospels and the apostolic Letters, such as the Sermon on the Mount and the apostolic teachings.
CCC 1451 Among the penitent’s acts contrition occupies first place. Contrition is “sorrow of the soul and detestation for the sin committed, together with the resolution not to sin again.”
CCC 1452 When it arises from a love by which God is loved above all else, contrition is called “perfect” (contrition of charity). Such contrition remits venial sins; it also obtains forgiveness of mortal sins if it includes the firm resolution to have recourse to sacramental confession as soon as possible.
CCC 1453 The contrition called “imperfect” (or “attrition”) is also a gift of God, a prompting of the Holy Spirit. It is born of the consideration of sin’s ugliness or the fear of eternal damnation and the other penalties threatening the sinner (contrition of fear). Such a stirring of conscience can initiate an interior process which, under the prompting of grace, will be brought to completion by sacramental absolution. By itself however, imperfect contrition cannot obtain the forgiveness of grave sins, but it disposes one to obtain forgiveness in the sacrament of Penance.
CCC 1454 The reception of this sacrament ought to be prepared for by an examination of conscience made in the light of the Word of God. The passages best suited to this can be found in the Ten Commandments, the moral catechesis of the Gospels and the apostolic Letters, such as the Sermon on the Mount and the apostolic teachings.
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JReducation
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This is fine under normal circumstances. But if you are in a situation where you are physically unable to go to confession the story is different. That’s where parragraph 1484 comes in.
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If you are physically unable to go to Confession then you can make an act of perfect contrition which would forgive your sins.This is fine under normal circumstances. But if you are in a situation where you are physically unable to go to confession the story is different. That’s where parragraph 1484 comes in.
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If you only make an act of imperfect contrition then your sins are not forgiven. The Church teaching which I quoted to you is clear. I do not see anything in CCC 1484 that says it does not matter what type of contrition to make to be forgiven. You are interpreting to fit your thinking but I don’t agree.
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thistle
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If you are physically unable to go to Confession then you can make an act of perfect contrition which would forgive your sins.This is fine under normal circumstances. But if you are in a situation where you are physically unable to go to confession the story is different. That’s where parragraph 1484 comes in.
JR
If you only make an act of imperfect contrition then your sins are not forgiven. The Church teaching which I quoted to you is clear. I do not see anything in CCC 1484 that says it does not matter what type of contrition to make to be forgiven. You are interpreting to fit your thinking but I don’t agree.
This, however, is way off from the thread the OP opened so I guess we should get back on topic.
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JReducation
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You are always free to disagree. But remember, God understands us better than we understand outselves.
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