Can anyone once and for all tell me why people want a protestant hymn rather than the Gregorian introitus?

[Jen95]

jesusmademe:

You have a problem focusing for long times?
I focus too much sometimes.
Anyway, if you do not ubderstand what they sibg it means you have found a translation. Dies Irae is translated into vernacular.

It means more to me if I can hear something in my heart language. Translation forces me to use my brain at a time I would rather simply allow the message to permeate my heart and soul.

And it makes no sense to me to be reading a translation instead of listening to the words sung, chanted, or spoken. It’s distracting to me, and I think to many others.

Just curious, have you ever reflected on why the Church has maintained that Latin is the official language of the Church and the liturgy?
Does the Church recognize the concept of a “heart language”? Or do you have some reference to a “heart language” in liturgical writings?
I maintain that your insistence that the entire public liturgy must be in YOUR “heart language” is YOUR personal preference, when the normative language of the Church is Latin, and the normative music is in fact Gregorian Chant.

 

[Peeps]

I like it the way that people like @Tis_Bearself and @Peeps conveniently forget that the Church has said PLENTY about the music that is best for public liturgical worship.
It’s NOT just a matter of personal preference.

I don’t “conveniently forget” what Holy Mother Church has said. And yes, I definitely agree that personal preference should not be the guideline for Holy Mother Church to mandate liturgy.

That being said, we must keep in mind that Holy Mother Church HAS given the bishops the authority to determine what liturgical music is best for their parishes. We cannot “conveniently forget” that fact. If the bishops allow and encourage the use of hymns rather than chant, then we must cheerfully accept that and not pine for what we cannot have. This kind of longing for something that cannot be only makes us less effective in our faith and easier for Satan to attack us and have victory over us. We must TRUST our leaders.

Also, I apologize for being unclear in my post about understanding words. I did not mean to imply that I would leave a Mass. I have attended Latin Mass at the Latin Mass parish (ICK) in my city often, and I wouldn’t dream of leaving in the middle of it because it would be rude and could possibly hurt someone else’s faith.

What I meant was that if something is happening in my “secular” world that is in a language other than my own, with no translation available, e.g., a rally, a lecture, a television show, a song on the radio, etc.–I don’t continue listening to it. I leave or turn it off. But I would not get up and leave in the middle of a Mass that happened to be in Latin or another language. (Hopefully, I would know in advance that the Mass is not in English!).

 

[Jen95]

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[ProVobis]

And it makes no sense to me to be reading a translation instead of listening to the words sung, chanted, or spoken. It’s distracting to me, and I think to many others.

I’m a poor listener. I need to turn on the captions to be able to follow whatever’s on tv, especially vocal music. So missals and hymnals are a must to me.

 

[Jen95]

In fact, the concept of a “heart language” and the very phrase “heart language” seem more of a Protestant concept:

Giving Good News in the Heart Language - GSI - Global Serve International

The importance of giving the Good News in the heart language of unreached people.

globalserveint.org

 

[dvdjs]

Q: Find me an Eastern Orthodox Divine Liturgy that sings “Go Tell It On The Mountain” or any of the happy clappy sappy schlock that passes for today’s liturgical music.

I disagree that “Go Tell It On The Mountain” is happy clappy sappy schlock.
But you would find similar folk music in ACROD parishes in the US as one example.
Not as a “lingering hangover from the wild 70s ecumenism party”, but as an integral part of a long tradition of prostopinije.

 

[LilyM]

No. But beauty is one of many reasons to be attracted to the church.

And musical beauty (as with architecture and a lot of other forms) is to a significant degree in the eye of the beholder.

If everyone - or even most people -agreed that Latin and chant were beautiful then they would still be in predominant or exclusive use as stained glass or gold and silver chalice are.