Can Extraordinary ministers of holy Communion perform Catholic weddings

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Actually… a delegated lay person is not even necessary in some cases.

e.g.

Can. 1116 §1. If a person competent to assist according to the norm of law cannot be present or approached without grave inconvenience, those who intend to enter into a true marriage can contract it validly and licitly before witnesses only:

1/ in danger of death;

2/ outside the danger of death provided that it is prudently foreseen that the situation will continue for a month.

§2. In either case, if some other priest or deacon who can be present is available, he must be called and be present at the celebration of the marriage together with the witnesses, without prejudice to the validity of the marriage before witnesses only.

A month! Dioceses commonly require a couple to approach their pastor six months before the expected nuptials and the Code seems to not expect them to even wait for more than a month if approved officiants are not available. This hold even when a priest or a deacon who is not competent to assist is available. This could be a priest or deacon who is in good standing with the Church but who has not received delegation from the proper pastor. Notice as well that the Code says validly and licitly – hardly the Apocalypse.

The code states:

Can. 1121 §1. After a marriage has been celebrated, the pastor of the place of the celebration or the person who takes his place, even if neither assisted at the marriage, is to note as soon as possible in the marriage register the names of the spouses, the person who assisted, and the witnesses, and the place and date of the celebration of the marriage according to the method prescribed by the conference of bishops or the diocesan bishop.

§2. Whenever a marriage is contracted according to the norm of ⇒ can. 1116, a priest or deacon, if he was present at the celebration, or otherwise the witnesses in solidum with the contracting parties are bound to inform as soon as possible the pastor or local ordinary about the marriage entered into.

It does not say that the pastor or other person must solemnize the marriage but is to be informed and must enter it in the parish register.
 
Says who? What catechism, scripture, pope, can you quote to show this?

What is the logic? They BELIEVE in the papacy.

And you say sedes are in mortal sin, but say the average Lutheran who rejects the pope as well is not? In fact, by your logic, every person who rejects the pope is in mortal sin…

(I do not mean to hijack this thread, so carry on, I am just curious about this…)
 
In the conditions under which a layperson might be chosen by a bishop to preside at a wedding because no priest or deacon is available, there is not a reason in the world that the bishop would have to be concerned with whether or not that person had ever been an extraordinary minister of Holy Communion. Those are two different things.

For instance, there are conditions under which a citizen might make a citizen’s arrest because there are no law enforcement officers available to do it. That person might be an evidence-processing clerk at the police department, too, but there is no necessary reason that being a clerk at the police department would have a thing to do with making a citizen’s arrest. It wouldn’t automatically make them more or less qualified than someone else.
 
Says who? What catechism, scripture, pope, can you quote to show this?

What is the logic? They BELIEVE in the papacy.

And you say sedes are in mortal sin, but say the average Lutheran who rejects the pope as well is not? In fact, by your logic, every person who rejects the pope is in mortal sin…

(I do not mean to hijack this thread, so carry on, I am just curious about this…)
Why are you assuming that Lutherans are not in a state of mortal sin for rejecting the authority of the current Pope? 🤷
 
Wow!! We have absolutely no business making a blanket statement like this.
Its very simple. Any Catholic who rejects Pope Francis is really the Pope puts themselves in a state of mortal sin.
Sedevacantists do not recognise Pope Francis as the Pope. What do you think the word sedevacantist means???
 
When the Japanese took the island of East New Britain in Papua New Guinea in WWII they imprisoned all foreign clergy and religious. The Japanese forbid the practice of any religion on the island, they raped the local girls and used some as ‘comfort women’. They also attempted to reintroduce the local traditional custom of polygamy.

Before being imprisoned the local priest left a catechist named Peter To Rot to take care of the parish. When Father Laufer left, he shook hands with Peter and said, “Peter, I am leaving all my work here in your hands. Look after these people well. Help them, so that they don’t forget about God.”

Peter defied the Japanese and performed Catholic weddings in secret. He also defied his first cousin who was helping the Japanese and took them around the villages and attempted to convince the locals to return to polygamy. He openly spoke out against the Japanese, their behaviour towards local women, their restriction on religion and active encouragement of polygamy. His behaviour was brought to the attention of Japanese authorities.

To Rot was sentenced to two months’ imprisonment and before the time set for his release killed by beating and a lethal injection in June or July 1945.

Pope John Paul II declared: "When the authorities legalised and encouraged polygamy, Blessed Peter knew it to be against Christian principles and firmly denounced this practice. Because the Spirit of God dwelt in him, he fearlessly proclaimed the truth about the sanctity of marriage. He refused to take the ‘easy way’ (cf. Matthew 7:13) of moral compromise. ‘I have to fulfil my duty as a Church witness to Jesus Christ’, he explained. Fear of suffering and death did not deter him. During his final imprisonment Peter To Rot was serene, even joyful. He told people that he was ready to die for the faith and for his people.

Pope JPII performed the ceremony of Peter To Rot’s beatification in Port Moresby on 17 January 1995.
 
Why are you assuming that Lutherans are not in a state of mortal sin for rejecting the authority of the current Pope? 🤷
Because we believe any Christian religion is a saving one, right?

And everybody in mortal sin who dies in mortal sin cannot be saved. That is Catholic doctrine.
 
Its very simple. Any Catholic who rejects Pope Francis is really the Pope puts themselves in a state of mortal sin.
Sedevacantists do not recognise Pope Francis as the Pope. What do you think the word sedevacantist means???
So you have the rare gift of the reading of hearts to determine when another is in mortal sin? :rolleyes: You absolutely may NEVER judge the state of another’s soul - JUDGE NOT lest you be judged. How can you read their mind and the intent of heart - how can you possibly know the struggle they have gone through in good conscience to arrive at the situation in which they find themselves? Good grief! The SSPX priests are validly ordained!!! I myself would fear for my own soul if I made such a blanket condemnation of a Catholic cleric! ONLY GOD knows the state of another’s soul and who has cut himself off from life-giving grace so as to condemn himself to hell if he doesn’t repent. :mad:
**As always, we can’t judge whether any particular person is in mortal sin, ** but those are the underlying principles.
 
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Who does this? It is not in the rubrics. 🤷
My parents did. Maybe its only common in their native country. Mom was so happy that she had three priests at her wedding so she had three stoles wrapped around their hands while they exchanged vows.
 
So you have the rare gift of the reading of hearts to determine when another is in mortal sin? :rolleyes: You absolutely may NEVER judge the state of another’s soul - JUDGE NOT lest you be judged. How can you read their mind and the intent of heart - how can you possibly know the struggle they have gone through in good conscience to arrive at the situation in which they find themselves? Good grief! The SSPX priests are validly ordained!!! I myself would fear for my own soul if I made such a blanket condemnation of a Catholic cleric! ONLY GOD knows the state of another’s soul and who has cut himself off from life-giving grace so as to condemn himself to hell if he doesn’t repent. :mad:
You obviously are greatly confused.

The SSPX are NOT sedevacantists.

Secevacantists do not recognise Francis as the real Pope. If people define themselves as a sedevancantist then by definition they are in a state of mortal sin. I don’t have to do any judging.
 
But we are not talking about these extraordinary circumstances. **We are talking about a parish in the UK in 2015. **A EMHC should not be doing this, period. There is something wrong here.
Agreed! The blurring of the lines between the common and ministerial priesthood is heartbreaking. Even though the priest/deacon only acts as a witness, marriage is still a sacrament that imparts special graces unique to that sacrament which is indissoluble.
 
You obviously are greatly confused.

The SSPX are NOT sedevacantists.
Many, under AB Lefebvre, did embrace sedevacantism. And that is immaterial anyway - you still may NEVER judge the state of another’s soul. Period
 
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