Can God use its free will?

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  1. God has absolute knowledge
  2. This means for any situation there is only one and one best solution which only God knows it
  3. God action is solely to serve good
  4. From (2) and (3), God has to perform the best action hence cannot use its free will
 
Omnipotent, Omnipresent, and Omniscient pretty much rules out error by perfection. So any choice would be centered on perfection. The question really comes back to the beginning. Did God have any need to create man?
 
  1. God has absolute knowledge
  2. This means for any situation there is only one and one best solution which only God knows it
  3. God action is solely to serve good
  4. From (2) and (3), God has to perform the best action hence cannot use its free will
I don’t know if there is always one best situation for **all **circumstances. There may be times where there are several scenarios, all about equal on the outcome, none better than the other.

I am a little careful with words like "all", “always”, or “never”, because there is often at least one exception. If there is even one exception, the above would be a false statement.
 
  1. God has absolute knowledge
  2. This means for any situation there is only one and one best solution which only God knows it
  3. God action is solely to serve good
  4. From (2) and (3), God has to perform the best action hence cannot use its free will
Your third premise is flawed - God does not serve good. God IS goodness itself. His will is the very definition of what freedom is - the unhindered perpetual state of always desiring and choosing the Good.
 
  1. God has absolute knowledge
  2. This means for any situation there is only one and one best solution which only God knows it
  3. God action is solely to serve good
  4. From (2) and (3), God has to perform the best action hence cannot use its free will
Premise 1 is correct.
Premise 2 does not follow from premise one. I agree with it, but I think it is debatable.
Premise 3 seems to make some kind of mistake. God is the good. He does not serve anything.
The conclusion (#4) does not follow because premises 2 and 3 are not necessarily true, and also because the verbs don’t match the format required by syllogistic logic.

God has free will because nothing exists apart from God’s will.
 
  1. God has absolute knowledge
  2. This means for any situation there is only one and one best solution which only God knows it
  3. God action is solely to serve good
  4. From (2) and (3), God has to perform the best action hence cannot use its free will
Sorry, this one doesn’t work either. Try again. I really wouldn’t waste my time on it, though, if I were you. The fact is, no one has yet figured out an argument based on logic that disproves God, so I seriously doubt that you’ll succeed.
 
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One reason we can know that God has free will is by the following syllogism:

(1) Nothing exists apart from God’s will.
(2) Nothing could force God to do anything unless it existed*.
(3) Therefore, nothing could force God to do anything apart from His will.

That wouldn’t be force but consent. So there you go.
  • Actually, I don’t think anything could force God to do anything period, but meh.*
 
God provides for us, He provides the air, the grace, He sustains life. We worship and serve Him, but service (He gives and sustains life) appears to be a two way street in proper perspective. Its a perfect giver receiver relationship.
 
  1. God has absolute knowledge
  2. This means for any situation there is only one and one best solution which only God knows it
  3. God action is solely to serve good
  4. From (2) and (3), God has to perform the best action hence cannot use its free will
God’s will will always be done. He wants man’s cooperation, but can and does manage without it. But whatever the case, man’s will is free. He may cooperate or he may not, as he pleases.

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  1. God has absolute knowledge
  2. This means for any situation there is only one and one best solution which only God knows it
  3. God action is solely to serve good
  4. From (2) and (3), God has to perform the best action hence cannot use its free will
You seem to be referring to God as an object: “it’s” free will. For one thing God is not a thing, and for another God knows all things. We are the one’s with free will and that make choices accordingly. We can mess things up, but God can always use our choices, bad or good, for the better. God is not limited by our choices or by our ideas. He allows us the freedom to choose and the freedom to experience the consequences of that choice.
 
  1. God has absolute knowledge
  2. This means for any situation there is only one and one best solution which only God knows it
  3. God action is solely to serve good
  4. From (2) and (3), God has to perform the best action hence cannot use its free will
I see what you are saying now. God’s will is absolutely and perfectly free. He does freelly whatever he does. That is the teaching of the Catholic Church. It is also the teaching of St. Thomas Aquinas.

God’s freedom is based on the fact that God is All Powerful and cannot be compelled to do one thing rather than another. He freely wills to do what is best under any given circumstance.

Linus2nd
 
I don’t know if there is always one best situation for **all **circumstances. There may be times where there are several scenarios, all about equal on the outcome, none better than the other.

I am a little careful with words like "all", “always”, or “never”, because there is often at least one exception. If there is even one exception, the above would be a false statement.
Could two best solution exist? No. How?

Consider the time zero at which creation takes place. Everything is determined at time zero. Assume that there are two creation exactly same good. That means that both creation has to be created but the act sustaining each creation is determined. Does this make sense?
 
Your third premise is flawed - God does not serve good. God IS goodness itself. His will is the very definition of what freedom is - the unhindered perpetual state of always desiring and choosing the Good.
So replace it with 3) God action is always toward good.
 
Premise 1 is correct.
Premise 2 does not follow from premise one. I agree with it, but I think it is debatable.
Premise 3 seems to make some kind of mistake. God is the good. He does not serve anything.
The conclusion (#4) does not follow because premises 2 and 3 are not necessarily true, and also because the verbs don’t match the format required by syllogistic logic.

God has free will because nothing exists apart from God’s will.
Please read post #12 and replace (3) by God action is toward good.
 
You seem to be referring to God as an object: “it’s” free will. For one thing God is not a thing, and for another God knows all things. We are the one’s with free will and that make choices accordingly. We can mess things up, but God can always use our choices, bad or good, for the better. God is not limited by our choices or by our ideas. He allows us the freedom to choose and the freedom to experience the consequences of that choice.
I used “it” because I don’t believe that God is masculine or feminine.
 
  1. God has absolute knowledge
  2. This means for any situation there is only one and one best solution which only God knows it
  3. God action is solely to serve good
  4. From (2) and (3), God has to perform the best action hence cannot use its free will
You are failing to understand creatio ex nihilo. God is not taking a group of existing things and ordering them in the best possible way. Instead he creates and causes to exist at each moment everything that exists. Since everything is brought into existence from sheer nothingness, there is no best possible world. God could always create one more thing, say, a saint, and it would result in a better world.
 
You are failing to understand creatio ex nihilo. God is not taking a group of existing things and ordering them in the best possible way. Instead he creates and causes to exist at each moment everything that exists.
That is a assumption that everything can be created from ex nihilo. An assumption which contradict God simplicity. Since God has to be extremely complex to perform the act creation from nothingness. This God in this picture is a black box containing all our ignorance. You are of course free to believe so but you cannot prove anything nor being able to convince people to accept your picture.
Since everything is brought into existence from sheer nothingness, there is no best possible world. God could always create one more thing, say, a saint, and it would result in a better world.
If God does not create the best then it fails in being ultimately good. If there is no best possible word then they must be all equivalently good which is contradictory since I can simply imagine a worst possible world.
 
I see no need to perform any action, which is choice, do to circumstance/solution. So the circumstance and solution was the after thought with resulted in the choice. The choice to create the circumstance and solution was choice

So he decided to create
 
I see no need to perform any action, which is choice, do to circumstance/solution. So the circumstance and solution was the after thought with resulted in the choice. The choice to create the circumstance and solution was choice

So he decided to create
Could you please elaborate?

Could you please also define creation?

Could you please thought when nothing exist but God?

Could you please how a simple God could decide about creation which very complex matter unless we agree that creation is very simple?
 
I am just going to point out all of the false statements in your post. You can defend them if you wish:
That is a assumption that everything can be created from ex nihilo. An assumption which contradict God simplicity. Since God has to be extremely complex to perform the act creation from nothingness.
If God does not create the best then it fails in being ultimately good.
If there is no best possible word then they must be all equivalently good…
(these are all false)
 
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