Can Satan take away gifts we were born with?

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Just joined. Landed here. I know about Satan, gifts, and birth.
Don’t think I understand “take away” in that question.
I mean Jesus was born with the universe as his. all people,
all things. All souls. Isn’t hell itself like a drain trap? hell is lost, but still God knows
it exists. so, not truly lost. Do you get what i mean?
 
Romans 11:29 for the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.

satan cannot take what he has not given,It is God who gives everything.If you persist in mortal sins till the point of possession then he takes control of our senses and intelligence,using him or her as his instrument or his bidding.
 
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We are born with intellect and will. Satan cannot take those away. He does have dominion over our bodies and can effect things such as knowledge.
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Please show me from official Catholic teaching that Satan has dominion over the body, just any body in general.
 
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In Genesis, Adam originally had dominion over all of the creatures of the earth. By falling to Satan, he ceded it to him.

From listening to Father Ripperger’s talks. He says, Because of the way Adam and Eve fell, they ceded dominion of our bodies to Satan. He then goes on to explain that the devil can cause illnesses, effect our memories, etc.

As already mentioned, Satan’s ability to exercise his dominion is limited to that which God allows.

We see these points very clearly in Job. Satan is granted increasingly wide authority regarding Job. Eventually he is allowed to cause illness for Job.
 
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From listening to Father Ripperger’s talks. He says, Because of the way Adam and Eve fell, they ceded dominion of our bodies to Satan.
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Can you please provide me the official teaching of the Church or are your beliefs based on the opinions of one internet-famous priest?

Just the citations from encyclicals, the Catechism, the Church Councils, give me the document and I will look it up. Heck, I also have a copy of Ott if you will give me the pages, I’ll look it up.
 
My belief is based upon one reliable priest and the word of God found in two books of the bible - especially Job. Isn’t it clear from Job that Satan had dominion over Job’s body as well the very lives of his children and servants?

I haven’t researched magisterial teaching on the subject. I can’t provide what you asked.

If you have references to contrary arguments, I’d love to see them. Thanks!
 
In the story of Job, I will let the USCCB state it:


"This is a literary composition, and not a transcript of historical events and conversations."

It is a parable.

You claimed that Satan has dominion over human beings bodies.

Burden of proof is on you.

It is okay to answer “that is my personal opinion, not the formal teaching of the Church”.
 
Only in an indirect way.
For instance, Satan could tempt somebody to beat you with a lead pipe, you wind up with TBI and diminished intelligence.

But cultivating an attitude of gratitude is always a smart choice for anybody!
 
It seems clear from Luke 22:31-32 that Satan is “on a leash.” He cannot go beyond what our sovereign God will allow him. We see this not only in Luke 22 but also in the Book of Job where Satan had to obtain permission from God before afflicting Job (see Job 1:9-12).

Earth is chock full of people who think they can just wait till they get old, when they think giving up earthly delights and sins of the flesh will be easier to give up. Full of health and vigor, they aren’t about to give up anything while they can still have “fun.” The church teaches us that this isn’t they way to go, as the yoke of sin isn’t easy to give up even then. It gives us the tools to fight sin right now, which is the best way to go of course.

Satan knows all of this of course. Even though bedside conversions are not a sure bet every time, he still doesn’t like even those odds. Satan desperately hates us, as God’s creations. He isn’t happy with his plight, even though it is of his own doing.

Given the chance, Satan would wipe us off earth RIGHT NOW. After all, a bird in hand is worth two in the bush. God wants to give us every chance to get in his good graces, he even gave us his only beautiful sinless Son to make that possible. He is willing to endure all of our actions and blasphamies in hope that we will change, and many do. Not enough, but many do.

The fact that I a horrible sinner, who is in the long process of conversion, and you are reading this is proof that Satan does indeed need God’s permission to attack us. Often, over time, these attacks themselves bring about our conversion. Sadly, sometimes God in his mercy sees that we will only get worse, and in his mercy will allow Satan to take us, so our position in hell will not be any worse than it would be at that moment.

Sometimes God allows us to be taken to prevent something dreadful coming our way, never sees us. Sometimes he takes people to eternal bliss to bring about the conversion of those who would otherwise see damnation. Sometimes things happen that make no sense at all.

The Lord of the flies is indeed powerful, but God does circles around him, every day. Having to ask permission, which often serves the purposes of God is humiliating to the devil, but he does in fact, have to have permission, or we would all be dead.
 
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It is true that Job is allegorical. It is still God’s word. It’s the most studied book of the bible. We can learn a lot from the Book of Job, even though the events never actually happened.

I never claimed to be speaking on behalf of the Church. It is my opinion, but is one that is shared by others and supported by scripture. Not being in magisterial teaching does not make a belief false. I do not have the burden you describe. Imagine this forum if everyone had to support each statement with references from formal Church teaching.
 
Actually, when we are posting on something called “CATHOLIC” answers, we need to be aware that many people are watching the conversation.

As Scripture tells us to always be prepared to give a reason for our belief, when in public dialogue we should each be prepared to back our statements with magisterial proof, or in the spirit of honesty we should preface them with “this is my opinion, it is not doctrine nor teaching of the Church”. That whole bit about not leading people astray and millstones and the sea comes to mind.
 
Loss of memory is due to sin of pride. It’s in one of the Wisdom books.

So, if memory is a gift, which I believe it is, it can be taken away (Satan definitely has something to do with that).
 
There is logic to identifying our posts as to whether they are magisterial teaching or otherwise learned.

The problem is that most of us don’t learn directly from magisterial publications, but rather from our teachers who are the Pope, bishops, priests, or lay Catholics. We also learn from reading Scripture. Our teachers often do not supply references. We trust especially that those ordained to teach are teaching the truth. Of course, we have to question that which sounds suspicious. That’s what TheLittleLady was doing.

I provided my sources. They are not directly from the magisterium. All who read my posts and pretty much anything else, have to put the statements to their own tests.
 
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