Can someone please explain God's immobility to me

[dumbseeker]

Can someone please explain God’s immobility to me? Why can’t God be the first mover and move himself?

Thanks.

 

[That_one_guy]

Apparently not…(LOL)

But, I’ll give it a shot.God is OMNIPRESENT,…which means he is everywhere all at once.So,…where is he gonna go?

 

[JDaniel]

Can someone please explain God’s immobility to me? Why can’t God be the first mover and move himself?

Thanks.

He, whom we call God, is immaterial - as opposed to material.

Local motion is a property of matter. It is not a property of that which is not matter.

Thus, He is Un-moved Mover.

Also, He is that which is in all places at once (one of the attributes of God).

JD

 

[warpspeedpetey]

Can someone please explain God’s immobility to me? Why can’t God be the first mover and move himself?

Thanks.

ther is no reason why not, if one believes in the big bang than one by necessity must also believe in g-d,

Why?

because there is no logical reason to stop- the chain of causality at the big bang. the same tools that one uses to theorize the big bang work just as well as when theorizing the existence of G-d.

the reason that one cannot pass G-d in the chain of causality is that we know as a matter of science that the universe is finite, there is only so much matter, so the big bang, consisting of all the matter in the universe could not be infinite, it could not therefore cause itself. in the known universe all things have a cause, that universes first existence is separate from an eternal G-d, which is what we claim G-d to be. the universe therefore has a chain of causality that begins with an infinite G-d, creating a finite universe.

further as a matter of Scripture we have believed that G-d is not subject to any of our ideas of time or space.

think of a balloon that you blow up, the air in the balloon came from you, yet it is self contained and separate from its surrounding environment. just as G-d has inflated this universe.

now these are rough arguments that i have yet to full build a defense of, but i am willing to try.

 

[Sam_Maloney]

seeker, I don’t honestly understand what you are asking:God is the uncreated Creator, I’ve never heard a claim that he’s ‘immobile’. Christ is God, after all…

Petey, what’s with the ‘G-d’ thing? It’s a little distracting. If it’s intended to be more reverent than spelling out the standard ‘God’, I think it’s having the opposite effect.

 

[puzzleannie]

God is the job decription, not the proper name, of the Deity, so the usage with the hyphen is unnecessary.

 

[That_one_guy]

God is the job decription, not the proper name, of the Deity, so the usage with the hyphen is unnecessary.

I agree.It seems pretensious.Althou this doesn’t have much to do with Gods immobility.
Which, by the way,…I still say its because He’s omnipresent.So he doesnt really need to go anywhere because Hes already everywhere at once.

 

[warpspeedpetey]

seeker, I don’t honestly understand what you are asking:God is the uncreated Creator, I’ve never heard a claim that he’s ‘immobile’. Christ is God, after all…

Petey, what’s with the ‘G-d’ thing? It’s a little distracting. If it’s intended to be more reverent than spelling out the standard ‘God’, I think it’s having the opposite effect.

i need to start a thread on this,

its a matter of respect for the Holy Name,

any reference to Him should be capitalized,

proper names and pronouns should not be, unless referring to a saint, or apostle,

i don’t have set rules yet, but the world is full of blasphemy, intentional and not, people casually utter His Name, as an oath, or a curse or in surprise. no matter the reason it is disrespectful to refer to Him in any but the most respectful way,

after all, we have all earned our death, yet he took it from us, each of us, if we search our hearts, will find that we are personally responsible for his torturous crucifixion. metaphorically the hammer was in my hands, i wove his Crown of Thorns with my very own fingers, i speared his side with my sins, and i cast lots for his robes.

how would you treat a man who gave his life rescuing you from a house fire?

how much more should you Love Him who gave his life for you, as you crucified Him?

this my personal revolt against the casual use of His Beautiful Name.

i don’t happen to be a Hebrew Catholic, someone told me they spell G-d the same way, i probably saw that somewhere and thats why i use a dash.

i hope it doesn’t offend anyone, if it does please forgive me.

 

[Eucharisted]

Can someone please explain God’s immobility to me? Why can’t God be the first mover and move himself?

Thanks.

God is not immobile in that He can’t move, He is immobile in that He is everywhere.

He acts, yes, but His actions are not mobility, since there is nowhere He is not.

By His omnipotence, and in virtue of His being everywhere and in everything and everything being in Him, He is able to act without moving.

 

[Peace-bwu]

There is no reason to write “G-d”. Scripture spells out the word “God,” all the Church writings, including those written by the popes, spell out the word “God.” You can write the word God without showing a lack of respect. It’s the respectful attitude and context you use that matters. Writing G-d shows no more respect that writing God. In fact, it makes me think of the abbreviation of the cuss word GD, so has the opposite effect for me when reading it. I don’t mean to hurt your feelings as I know you are trying to show reverence, but it doesn’t read well. It also portrays an attitude that everyone else on here who writes "God"is somehow being blasphemous or disrespectful. Anyone who reads it will question why you are doing that or have a reaction like me where they think of the horrible word GD when they read it. For the sake of clear and respectful communication, I think you should just write “God.”

Was the person you knew 7th day Adventest? They have rules around using God’s name.

It’s Okay for God to have a name, he wants us to have a name, so it shows respect and love to treat his name with reverance when we say His name (or write it.) Jesus asks us to pray to God by calling him “Our Father.” and to pray to God as we would speak to a good father. I wouldn’t call my eartly Father D-d to show respect fo him why would I call my Heavenly Father G-d?

It’s true that we are responsible, as human sinners, for the suffering and death of Jesus, but we also have to rejoice and trust in God’s forgiveness and that we are His Children through Baptism because of His Grace and Mercy. If it were wrong to write God’s name, Jesus would have told His disciples not to write the name of God.

I hope this helps. I am writing this out of a sense of sharing the love of Christ with you. I believe our Heavenly Father appreciates your respect and repentence, but He also wants to love you and call you by name, call you His own. I think I understand where you are coming from and have had a hard time forgiving myself for sins in my past, but after confession we have to trust that The Lord has forgiven us and wants us to share richly in His love and Mercy, and come to a point where we forgive ourselves.not continue to allow those sins to separate us from Him, The Lord didn’t suffer and die for our sins in order for us to not be able to utter His name.

God Bless!

 

[warpspeedpetey]

There is no reason to do this. Scripture spells out the word “God,” all the Church writings, including those written by the popes, spell out the word “God.” You can write the word God without showing a lack of respect. It’s the respectful attitude and context you use that matters. Writing G-d shows no more respect that writing God. In fact, it makes me think of the abbreviation of the cuss word GD, so has the opposite effect for me when reading it. I don’t mean to hurt your feelings as I know you are trying to show reverence, but it doesn’t read well. It also portrays an attitude that everyone else on here who writes "God"is somehow being blasphemous or disrespectful. Anyone who reads it will question why you are doing that or have a reaction like me where they think of the horrible word GD when they read it. For the sake of clear and respectful communication, I think you should just write God.

Was the person you knew 7th day Adventest? They have rules around using God’s name.

It’s Okay for God to have a name, he wants us to have a name, so it shows respect and love to treat his name with reverance when we say His name (or write it.) Jesus asks us to pray to God by calling him “Our Father.” and to pray to God as we would speak to a good father. I wouldn’t call my eartly Father D-d to show respect fo him why would I call my Heavenly Father G-d?

It’s true that we are responsible, as human sinners, for the death of Jesus, but we also have to rejoice and trust in God’s forgiveness and that we are His Children through Baptism because of His Grace and Mercy. If it were wrong to write God’s name, Jesus would have told His disciples not to write the name of God.

I hope this helps. I am writing this out of a sense of sharing the love of Christ with you. I believe our Heavenly Father appreciates your respect and repentence, but He also wants to love you and call you by name, call you His own. I think I understand where you are coming from and have had a hard time forgiving myself for sins in my past, but after confession we have to trust that The Lord has forgiven us and wants us to share richly in His love and Mercy, not continue to allow those sins to separate us from Him, and come to a point where we forgive ourselves. The Lord didn’t suffer and die for our sins in order for us to not be able to utter His name.

God Bless!

im sorry i left some doubt as to my meaning, i was trying to be nice

that usually doesnt work well for me, so let me be direct with all charity.

if you all would keep your opinions to yourselves concerning this matter, i would greatly appreciate.

i find unsolicited opinions unhelpful to say the least.

please let that be the end of the matter.

 

[Peace-bwu]

I’ve always done a great deal of self study and took a few religion and philosophy classes in college, but don’t recall anything about “God’s immobility.” Could you site where you found this theory or teaching so I know where this is coming from?

I apologize, but I’ve never heard of, or studied this. Is it from Western traditon? What time period?

 

[Peace-bwu]

im sorry i left some doubt as to my meaning, i was trying to be nice

that usually doesnt work well for me, so let me be direct with all charity.

if you all would keep your opinions to yourselves concerning this matter, i would greatly appreciate.

i find unsolicited opinions unhelpful to say the least.

please let that be the end of the matter.

I was just trying to help you. I hope you now realize that every time you post on here by spelling God’s name like that you will get alot of questions and “unsolicited help.” People who don’t care probably won’t say anything, but anyone who cares about the people around them will ask about it. I hope I didn’t hurt your feelings or pride, but after reading your explanation lamenting over your sins and reservations about using the name of God, that it was something you needed to hear today. It was written with the best of intentions. I won’t write any more about it, but don’t be upset if other ppl comment on it every time you do that. By being so bold, and unusual, with your reverence you are unintentionally soliciting questions and opinions. Just be prepared for that. It’s sort of like a Goth kid wearing scary clothes and upset by people staring at them. If you do that you are going to get alot of questions and opinions so don’t be upset by fellow members asking.

In this short thread I was the 4th person to comment about it, the odds are high that you will have many more.

 

[warpspeedpetey]

I was just trying to help you. I hope you now realize that every time you post on here by spelling God’s name like that you will get alot of questions and “unsolicited help.” People who don’t care probably won’t say anything, but anyone who cares about the people around them will ask about it. I hope I didn’t hurt your feelings or pride, but after reading your explanation lamenting over your sins and reservations about using the name of God, that it was something you needed to hear today. It was written with the best of intentions. I won’t write any more about it, but don’t be upset if other ppl comment on it every time you do that. By being so bold, and unusual, with your reverence you are unintentionally soliciting questions and opinions. Just be prepared for that. It’s sort of like a Goth kid wearing scary clothes and upset by people staring at them. If you do that you are going to get alot of questions and opinions so don’t be upset by fellow members asking.

In this short thread I was the 4th person to comment about it, the odds are high that you will have many more.

that explanation was a post from several weeks ago, only two people have asked until this thread, and neither had the chutzpah to chastise me. nor am i upset by people asking, thats why i wrote the full explanation. this is the first time that i have seen any body offer their opinion on the matter.

further i offer that explanation as an introduction to all of our personal relationships with Christ, yes i lament my sins but the statement is that each of us has earned our death.

nor is it bold or unusual, it is a common practice across several faiths, it is just not practiced here, i think others could benefit from the practice.

now i don’t know you, the tone you are using with me is condescending, you may not be aware of that, so please

let this be the last we speak of it

 

[Contarini]

I was just trying to help you. I hope you now realize that every time you post on here by spelling God’s name like that you will get alot of questions and “unsolicited help.”

Jews customarily spell God’s name that way. Your complaints do not do you credit and distract from substantive discussion.

Edwin

 

[Contarini]

Can someone please explain God’s immobility to me? Why can’t God be the first mover and move himself?

Thanks.

In scholastic terminology, “motion” is a change from potentiality to act. God has no potentiality because He is eternally infinite. There is never a point at which God could be something He is not.

Edwin