Can someone refute this article?

[bacon_man]

I read an article that claims to know when “the window” for the second coming is." Can someone argue against this? Other than the fact noone can know when, people have done this before, and later in the article it uses sensational scare-mongering? Can someone refute this?

cynet.com/Jesus/prophecy/orders.htm

 

[DavidFilmer]

Can someone refute this?

It’s impossible to “refute” anyone’s personal interpretation of Biblical prophesy. This is an opinion. The only way to refute an opinion is with mutually-recognized facts, and there are no clearly established facts upon which to draw.

The only thing you might be able to do is offer a more plausible personal interpretation.

Or, in this case, just wait until September 22, 2012.

 

[bacon_man]

It’s impossible to “refute” anyone’s personal interpretation of Biblical prophesy. This is an opinion. The only way to refute an opinion is with mutually-recognized facts, and there are no clearly established facts upon which to draw.

The only thing you might be able to do is offer a more plausible personal interpretation.

Well can someone do that then?

 

[DavidFilmer]

Well can someone do that then?

Well, one thing that YOU might be able to do is some basic fact-checking of the source material used in this article.

This website uses a large amount of background material to support its claims. But, my experience has been that the more source material is used, the more is “adjusted” to suit the foregone conclusion. They rely on the fact that this material is somewhat difficult to verify, although not so difficult now, thanks to the internet.

I picked one “fact” at random - in a listing of calamities which have (supposedly) befallen the Jewish people on the 17th of Tammuz of the Jewish calendar:

It was on the 17th of Tammuz in 1559 that the Jewish Quarter of Prague was destroyed.

This is a “mixed” date - it cites a Jewish month/day, but a Gregorian year.

I found this site which claims the event occurred on the Gregorian date of June 22, 1559:
brainyhistory.com/events/1559/june_22_1559_34442.html

I converted that Gregorian date to a Jewish date:
[www19.wolframalpha.com/(name removed by moderator)ut/?i=convert+June+22%2C+1559+to+jewish+calendar](http://www19.wolframalpha.com/(name removed by moderator)ut/?i=convert+June+22%2C+1559+to+jewish+calendar)

and came up with Tammuz 7 (not Tammuz 17) (of the Jewish year 5319, FWIW).

It’s a difference of ten days for an event that happened 450 years ago. But, for their point to be valid, even a one-day difference would invalidate this event from being considered as supporting background evidence.

Further research would be needed to verify the accuracy of the June 22 date. But, hey, it’s a world wide web out there…

And you could apply such research for many of the relevant facts. If you can prove that they play fast and loose with their background material then you can easily call the whole thesis into question. It would be, as it is said, a house built upon sand.

But you might just find the majority of the background facts are sound. Which neither proves nor disproves anything.

But, my question to you is: Why are you even interested in disputing this? And what would you do if you could? This is just one of hundreds (thousands?) of opinions of Biblical prophesy.

 

[chaz0426]

Although it would seem fun to look for hidden messages and codes in the bible to figure out time frames or dates, Jesus clearly said that only the father knows when. I’m sure if it was meant we “crack the code” someday, Jesus or another would have said flatly " the day and the hour will only be revealed to one worthy enough to find the hidden meanings in truth." (truth meaning the bible) or something along those lines. Jesus didn’t lie to us. If it was meant to be revealed to us before hand it would have mentioned so and that it would happen at the right time.

Many passages clearly advocate to “be aware because we do not know the day or hour”

It’s funny that such people who study the bible so closely miss that passage or just overlook it. Or it could just be a fun hobby and seeing what happens when those dates come. As many times in history this was done…we are still here

 

[Peter_Dawson]

Although it would seem fun to look for hidden messages and codes in the bible to figure out time frames or dates, Jesus clearly said that only the father knows when. I’m sure if it was meant we “crack the code” someday, Jesus or another would have said flatly " the day and the hour will only be revealed to one worthy enough to find the hidden meanings in truth." (truth meaning the bible) or something along those lines. Jesus didn’t lie to us. If it was meant to be revealed to us before hand it would have mentioned so and that it would happen at the right time.

Many passages clearly advocate to “be aware because we do not know the day or hour”

It’s funny that such people who study the bible so closely miss that passage or just overlook it. Or it could just be a fun hobby and seeing what happens when those dates come. As many times in history this was done…we are still here

Those who remind us that “no one can know the day or the hour” usually need to be reminded that Jesus nonetheless gave us a list of things to look for, to tell us when the day and the hour are coming close.

For example…

15 "When you see the desolating abomination spoken of through Daniel the prophet standing in the holy place (let the reader understand),
16 then those in Judea must flee to the mountains,… Matthew 24:15-16.

The 1970 translators, interestingly, rendered the Greek for the thing being discussed, “the abominable and destructive thing.”

What would comprise an “abominable and destructive thing” or a “desolating abomination” somehow connected with “Judea”?

How about Israel’s nuclear weapons program, sometimes called “the Samson Option” referring to Samson bringing the roof down on his enemies as his enemies destroyed him. The first silos and missiles of the Samson Option were installed in what was Judea in the time of Christ west of Jerusalem in the foothills of the mountains of Ephraim, in the late 1960s. Can anyone think of anything better fitting the term “abominable destructive thing” than a nuclear weapon?

This prediction appears to have been fulfilled about 40 years ago, as a consequence.

There are others.

 

[BeCatholic1991]

Wow that was a interesting bit,reminded me of when I was in the Evangelical cult haha.Seems pretty clean cut,The date fits in that 7 years seem to soon begin.I mean Obama-nation of Desolation is against our Jewish breathren and Iran,North Korea and Russia are getting Nuke-happy. They are rebuilding the temple Altar and all is going to plan.It would expecially fit if the Malachy prophecy of the popes come true.Peterus Romanus,Last pope after his Holiness Pope Benedict XVI,Yeah I say around there,Though I don’t care.I’m just going to work on my salvation in fear and trembling of the Lord.

“If the pope is rejected, it follows that not one bishop, but the whole episcopate threatens to fall.”
– Avitus, Bishop of Vienne; writing about A.D. 520.

Markie

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[Peter_Dawson]

Here’s another one…

19 Woe to pregnant women and nursing mothers in those days [meaning, “the End Times”]. Matthew 24:19.

Almost no one appreciates how strange this statement by Christ is, in His End Times homily. Most believe that it is an expression of pity for women “in a delicate way,” in the horrible conditions of the End Times.

In fact, it is the opposite! It is a threat!

Christ uses the Greek word ouai, translated “woe,” a few dozen times in the gospels. In every single one of these cases, without exception, the word is a nasty threat! Example:

21 "Woe to you, Chorazin! Woe to you, Bethsaida! For if the mighty deeds done in your midst had been done in Tyre and Sidon, they would long ago have repented in sackcloth and ashes.
22 But I tell you, it will be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon on the day of judgment than for you. Matthew 11:21-22.

Here’s another example:

6 "Whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a great millstone hung around his neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea.
7 Woe to the world because of things that cause sin! Such things must come, but woe to the one through whom they come! Matthew 18:6-7.

Why would Christ threaten pregnant women and nursing mothers?

Maybe because His meaning isn’t that they ARE pregnant and nursing, but rather that they WOULD BE pregnant and nursing EXCEPT FOR ABORTION!

The Pro-Choice Movement, in other words, is an End Times marker!