Can someone who rejects the Gospel be saved?

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You asked how I define a “pure soul”. I said, “Anyone who does not suffer from the fire of Purgatory.”

I did not make a claim to who they are, or how many.

Can you get to your point? I will not keep running down your rabbit holes.
 
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You asked how I define a “pure soul”. I said, “Anyone who does not suffer from the fire of Purgatory.”

I did not make a claim to who they are, or how many.

Can you get to your point? I will not keep running down your rabbit holes.
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You are somewhat incoherent. Throughout this thread you never appear to get anybody’s point if it contradicts your view.
 
This thread is about Mark 16:16, and what the Church Teaches. It’s not about mortal sin or a pure soul.

Invincible Ignorance is a moral theology. A minority in this thread interpret culpable responsibility in knowing the Gospel, as “accepting it as the Truth” before disbelief.

This is not supported by Scripture or Church Teaching.
 
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This Catholic Answers article by Jimmy Akin is very in-depth.


We all must be careful of coming across as giving authoritative truth,
in our asserting a personal perspective on these points.
This is true of interpreting Scripture, Church Teachings and other
things regarding someone’s Salvation. Recent centuries especially had the need, in the light of never being ashamed of Jesus Christ and His Church;
also not coming across as judgmental and harsh.
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In almost all discussions, we each must let The Holy Spirit examine us;
and hear His Voice - ‘am I overly trying to prove my perspective on a point’ as opposed to a more concern of charitable concern for others.
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A deep heartfelt prayerful well wishes for each of our growth for inner harmony and well being, from Christs Peace that surpasses all human understanding.
 
Thanks for the article. Lots of relative stuff.

I believe some in this thread who consider me wrong have this Teaching in mind:

“Those who have received the faith under the teaching authority of the Church can never have a just reason to change this same faith or to reject it”

Some are applying this to Mark 16:16

But I dont see the explicit connection. This Teaching was decreed in context of Catholics and Protestants. Therefore, it is not condemning those Protestants for not formally accepting the Catholic faith, who had never been Catholic. The Church was saying those who have cannot be invincibly ignorant (however a couple sentences later, Jimmy still provides possible invisible ignorance for some of these!)

“This applies, of course, to those who have genuinely accepted the Catholic faith under the influence of the Magisterium, not those who-though baptized or received into the Church-never actually accepted the Catholic faith due to absent or grossly defective catechesis.”

However, this is not addressing Mark 16:16 properly. Because Mark 16:16 is not dealing with Catholic Teaching in particular. It is dealing with the Gospel.

The Church is careful not to use the term Gospel for this reason. Because she is not addressing rejection and disbelief of the Gospel, but the situation of Protestant and Catholic faith.

The Gospel has a special place more fundamental to salvation within Protestant/Catholic situations.

Also, Jimmy addresses some extreme “traditionalist” errors, such as Feeneyism. However, he does not address the extreme interpretation in the other direction, where invincible ignorance is afforded too much credit.
And that would be where even rejecting the Gospel can be justified under Invincible Ignorance (so long as a person is seeking God and relying on His grace).
Again, I’m not discrediting Invincible Ignorance. It has a place for certain. But you will notice the Church is careful not to use the situation of Mark 16:16 when applying invincible ignorance to those who may attain salvation yet have rejected the “Catholic Faith”. This is because the Catholic Faith comprises much more than the Gospel. I have found that many Catholics have difficulty in making a distinction between the “Catholic Faith” and the “Gospel”.
 
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