Can there be a forever in an eternal world with no time? What are the possibilities?

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My dear friends

As the title suggests I am thinking a world or existence in an eternal realm or world where there is no time is just- ETERNAL. How can you say forever if there is just - ETERNITY. I can see a forever existing if there is time but if there is no time I see just existence that is in eternity. Its just like BLAH - ETERNITY.

My main reason for asking is to explore the possibility that an eternal realm can end or change in some way even if it is said it will be forever. Because forever in an eternal realm with no time is NOW. Forever implies time. I really don’t see how forever can mean what we think it does in eternity without time.

I’m working on a theory of a 2 phase plan for God to save all including demons and the damned. I might expound a little of it if I get any interested parties and people who can help with my theory.

God bless you:thumbsup:🙂

John
 
My dear friends
As the title suggests I am thinking a world or existence in an eternal realm or world where there is no time is just- ETERNAL. How can you say forever if there is just - ETERNITY. I can see a forever existing if there is time but if there is no time I see just existence that is in eternity. Its just like BLAH - ETERNITY.
 
My dear friend

Thanks for your (name removed by moderator)ut. Was this world ever meant to be eternal? Did this world have a beginning? What are your thoughts?

And I do have Gods email address. But I’m not allowed to hand it out. If you ask Hm nicely He may give it to you too.

God bless you:thumbsup:🙂

John
 
My dear friends

As the title suggests I am thinking a world or existence in an eternal realm or world where there is no time is just- ETERNAL. How can you say forever if there is just - ETERNITY. I can see a forever existing if there is time but if there is no time I see just existence that is in eternity. Its just like BLAH - ETERNITY.

My main reason for asking is to explore the possibility that an eternal realm can end or change in some way even if it is said it will be forever. Because forever in an eternal realm with no time is NOW. Forever implies time. I really don’t see how forever can mean what we think it does in eternity without time.

I’m working on a theory of a 2 phase plan for God to save all including demons and the damned. I might expound a little of it if I get any interested parties and people who can help with my theory.

God bless you:thumbsup:🙂

John
Hi John,

Time is a human construct used to measure change in the physical world. The possibility of measuring time, really was introduced by God at the dawn of creation when God created the Sun, moon and stars and the seasons. In heaven, there no need of time. There is simply the eternal present. It’s a concept that is difficult to fathom.

I am not sure what you mean by “change”? The whole point of salvation history is the manner in which God lovingly draws us all to Himself. The Old Testament is filled with stories of how the Jews fell, God corrected them and then drew them back to Him. He does that in our lives, too. God is a great dad!

Anyway, I believe that God wills all of His people to share the wonder of eternity with Him. The Catechism states that God’s mercy is infinite and is available to all people in all places. Does that include hell? If so, is damnation really eternal?

“Forever” is a result of our understanding (or lack thereof) of timelessness. It helps us to understand eternity in the context of time. To suggest an end or no end is to infer time which in heaven doesn’t exist.

God’s blessings…
 
My dear friends

As the title suggests I am thinking a world or existence in an eternal realm or world where there is no time is just- ETERNAL. How can you say forever if there is just - ETERNITY. I can see a forever existing if there is time but if there is no time I see just existence that is in eternity. Its just like BLAH - ETERNITY.

My main reason for asking is to explore the possibility that an eternal realm can end or change in some way even if it is said it will be forever. Because forever in an eternal realm with no time is NOW. Forever implies time. I really don’t see how forever can mean what we think it does in eternity without time.

I’m working on a theory of a 2 phase plan for God to save all including demons and the damned. I might expound a little of it if I get any interested parties and people who can help with my theory.

God bless you:thumbsup:🙂

John
John

God is not predictable, one can be assured, trust, be confident, that He will do what He says He will do, but mankind has no jurisdiction in the will of God only that mankind will experience what God will do. It is only that He would have respect for His Name Jesus Christ in the cry of man for His Mercy, Grace, Forgiveness.

The Word of God, (revealed to use in the flesh, Jesus Christ) which is and is to come shall be fulfilled. God spoke all things into being, therefore the Word of God is Fact, the Absolute Truth, not subject to change, not a theory. No one plans for God, it is God who plans for you. Theory is of man’s wisdom which stands with man until proven wrong or incorrect. The Word of God is not wrong or incorrect nor is there any that can prove it such. Technically the Word of God can’t be wrong or incorrect because all of creation is subject to it. And must change to conform to the Word of God, according to the Will of God. Hence Jesus said, if it be the will of the Father He will do it, for everything is under His Authority, the Word of God.

That said:

If your looking for some understanding in the “forever” category maybe this will help. Let use look at the first few verses in the first book of the Bible.

In the view of science, last I heard, that there are five elements that all is made of, matter space energy time, and something that started it. (Hence the latest greatest gab, theory, “big bang”).

Gen:1:1: In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

“In the beginning”, time, “God”, something that started it, “created”, energy, “the heaven”, space, “ and the earth”, matter. Though yes the terms are different but in ancient terms wouldn’t it be referred to in the fashion that is in the Bible? But more importantly; God is forever therefore He need not creation or it’s existence in order to be. The Presence of God is always; for God always is hence God need no place to be in order to be. But all else need His Word in order to be, which requires His Presence. He needs no time in order to be, nor matter nor space nor energy. (This is the understanding why it is necessary to be born of His Spirit, the Holy Spirit in order to be, and have place to be, in the Light, when the new day come in the promise of everlasting Life.)

2: And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep.

Note God’s creation without His Presence there in.

And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

Note God’s Presence in His creation then

3: And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

Note that then God said, making not only His presence known in His creation also making His expressed Will known, His Word the Light which never leaves His Presence. But darkness dose.

4: And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

It should also be noted here that it is God that declares that which is Good.
It should also be noted here that God Chose to move upon the face of the waters. God chose the planet earth as the place for Life to be.

Just as God Chose Mt. Zion, in the Chosen city Jerusalem in the chosen land Israel for His Presence in the flesh Jesus Christ to be with His People.

Things are what they are, not what we want them to be. 😉
 
Hi John,

Time is a human construct used to measure change in the physical world. The possibility of measuring time, really was introduced by God at the dawn of creation when God created the Sun, moon and stars and the seasons. In heaven, there no need of time. There is simply the eternal present. It’s a concept that is difficult to fathom.

I am not sure what you mean by “change”? The whole point of salvation history is the manner in which God lovingly draws us all to Himself. The Old Testament is filled with stories of how the Jews fell, God corrected them and then drew them back to Him. He does that in our lives, too. God is a great dad!

Anyway, I believe that God wills all of His people to share the wonder of eternity with Him. The Catechism states that God’s mercy is infinite and is available to all people in all places. Does that include hell? If so, is damnation really eternal?

“Forever” is a result of our understanding (or lack thereof) of timelessness. It helps us to understand eternity in the context of time. To suggest an end or no end is to infer time which in heaven doesn’t exist.

God’s blessings…
My dear friend Cargau

Nice to hear from you again. That’s exactly what I wanted to know. It helps greatly with my line of thought. Happy feast day to you too. May St Joseph bless you and yours.

God bless you:thumbsup:🙂

John
 
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