Can we prove the truth in: our logic, absolute truth, having certainty, and our sense perceptions AT THE SAME TIME?

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So usually, when we try to prove something, it has to be done individually. Can we prove all of these true simultaneously?

For example, in order to prove our senses are correct, we disregard whether our logic is correct or not, etc.

So here is the equation that needs solved

A– Our logic is correct B–Absolute truth exists C–Certitude exists D–Our senses are correct

X: A, B, C, and D all can’t be true at the same time. Only individually or none at all.

Y: All four of these would be required to prove X true.

X: I wasn’t using all four of them to the truth. Perhaps I wasn’t using any of them at all.

Y: If we can prove all 4 wrong by using only some or none at all, then that means we can prove all 4 right using the same tactic.

X: How can you prove all 4 right using the same tactic. Better yet, how can you prove you are even using the same tactic to begin with?

That is the question I’m looking for an answer to.

Any thoughts?
 
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So usually, when we try to prove something, it has to be done individually. Can we prove all of these true simultaneously?

For example, in order to prove our senses are correct, we disregard whether our logic is correct or not, etc.

So here is the equation that needs solved

A– Our logic is correct B–Absolute truth exists C–Certitude exists D–Our senses are correct

X: A, B, C, and D all can’t be true at the same time. Only individually or none at all.

Y: All four of these would be required to prove X true.

X: I wasn’t using all four of them to the truth. Perhaps I wasn’t using any of them at all.

Y: If we can prove all 4 wrong by using only some or none at all, then that means we can prove all 4 right using the same tactic.

X: How can you prove all 4 right using the same tactic. Better yet, how can you prove you are even using the same tactic to begin with?

That is the question I’m looking for an answer to.

Any thoughts?
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Yes, there is one much more fundamental statement that you need to prove, and that no one else but only you could prove (if you really could), and it is this:

“I make sense”

Where “I” = “BenSinner”
 
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You have to define your terms. What are the definitions for:
  1. logic (there are many types)
  2. Absolute truth
  3. Certitude
  4. senses are correct (how does this take into account optical illusions, etc.)
 
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No.

This isn’t about moral certitude. This is just about ‘knowing’ in general.
 
Ben, how often do you attend Mass. do you read the Liturgy of Hours ?
 
What makes you say they can’t all be true at the same time?

You say we usually prove one at a time. Why do you think that is? Think of it like a math problem. In complex math equations, you don’t do it all at once but one small, simpler part at a time.
 
Because in order to prove any of these, we can usually only do it by contradicting something.

A: “There is no absolute truth.”
B: A is absolutely true.

So while we now know absolute truth exists, we can only know it for one particular thing, which is A’s statement.

We can’t prove that “We can trust our logic” is absolutely true, or “We can trust our senses” is absolutely true.
 
I attend Mass every Sunday/Saturday vigil. I don’t read the Liturgy of Hours
 
That presumes one mode of demonstrating absolute truth.

But, by their very definition, our sense perceptions are subjective, and we know not everything.
However, they are subjective experiences of an objective reality, as can be shown by shared experience.
Likewise, our logic could be deficient, but that would fly in the face of actual fact (such as how our mathematical models lead to actually working structures).
While we may not have an absolute proof of these things, we can know with a fair bit of certainty.
 
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Because in order to prove any of these, we can usually only do it by contradicting something.

A: “There is no absolute truth.”

B: A is absolutely true.

So while we now know absolute truth exists, we can only know it for one particular thing, which is A’s statement.

We can’t prove that “We can trust our logic” is absolutely true, or “We can trust our senses” is absolutely true.
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Arguments based on self referential statements are dubious.
 
Ben perhaps if you started reading the morning and evening prayer, you could more readily focus on the Love of God.

They are lovely prayers that leave us with much to meditate on during the day.

Can you attend Mass more often, or Adoration?
 
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