Can we talk?

[RagamuffinBlues]

((( )))

LindaSK,

Placing my comments, and your replies in a single ‘quote’ means a lot of work for me. - therefore I am not going to use quotes here, to make it easier for you to reply. Look for the >>> for my replies to you.

+)btw. I think I am going to put all the quote parts in quotes, to make it easier for your to reply to. I hope(+

Originally Posted by ***RagamuffinBlues ***
Does my reply seem vague?

Originally Posted by LindaSK
Yes. And, “Religion: TUL - If you get to know me, you will understand” is deliberately vague. Please explain.

Are we going to talk about my header or “The Eucharist”? (I will add some at the end of my reply here.)

Originally Posted by ***RagamuffinBlues ***
"Do I believe in the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist?

I think I would be comfortable,at this point in saying, that I am experiencing the Spirit of JesusChrist in my innerbeing, as well as to some degree in others ( whether they be elect or not ), and to a lesser degree in animals, and radiating out to an ever diminishing degree as I gaze out into the night sky. ( Romans 1 )"

Originally Posted by LindaSK
Please explain the connection between your response to my question on the Real Presence and Romans 1. If you do not experience the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist, it would be clearer if you just said so. I gathered from…

Originally Posted by TheDoctor
Hey Eric. WIRED gave you a good simple background of what we believe the Eucharist is.

Originally Posted by LindaSK
Yes, I just ate it. …that you had received the Eucharist. Perhaps, that was an error on my part?

Originally Posted by ***RagamuffinBlues ***
I do think however, that you are not quite sure where I am, where I want to be, or what I do or do not accept in regards to the Eucharist.
Perhaps you might have considered responding to where I am and not forging ahead into where you are.

Originally Posted by LindaSK
The title of your thread is “Can we talk?” That implies to me a desire for discussion, an exchange of ideas. Since I am not clear, nor do I wish to presume where you are, the most honest thing I could do was share with you my understanding as others did. From that, I was hoping you would share more of yours so that we could come to understand each other better.

Here is where I am: (repeat)

"Do I believe in the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist?

I think I would be comfortable,at this point in saying, that I am experiencing the Spirit of JesusChrist in my innerbeing, as well as to some degree in others ( whether they be elect or not ), and to a lesser degree in animals, and radiating out to an ever diminishing degree as I gaze out into the night sky. ( Romans 1 )"

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Originally Posted by ***RagamuffinBlues ***
Now to your reply:
I do so enjoy reading from the Vatican Archives, but my favourite reading is from the New Advent Encyclopeadia. Though I must admit I enjoyed reading most of “Jesus Christ The Bearer of the Water of Life” as well as, and ofcourse “Eucharist” in the New Advent Encyclopedia.

Originally Posted by LindaSK
My link was actually to the Catechism of the Catholic Church. Have you read that?

Not yet, but as I said already ‘I do so enjoy reading from the Vatican Archives’. I have quite a busy reading and writing schedule, but shall attend to it as soon as I have time to give it my full attention. For now, I am ‘comfortable at this point in saying’ … (repeat)

"Do I believe in the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist?

I think I would be comfortable,at this point in saying, that I am experiencing the Spirit of JesusChrist in my innerbeing, as well as to some degree in others ( whether they be elect or not ), and to a lesser degree in animals, and radiating out to an ever diminishing degree as I gaze out into the night sky. ( Romans 1 )"

Originally Posted by ***RagamuffinBlues ***
My question was: (which is not really a question about how you feel about the Eucharist)

Originally Posted by LindaSK
It isn’t just a ‘feeling’. It is by Faith that I am able to equate the Eucharist with receiving Jesus. I can share it with you. I can’t give it to you. Are you looking for an explanation of transubstantiation? Again, have you read the Catechism and what do you grasp from John 6?

We are not on the subject of “Faith” (or are we?). Did not our Lord teach us that it is more blessed to have not seen and believed? As the Apostle Paul taught us that, that which is not of faith is sin, surely any physical representation of the invisible G_d would be equal to sin?
And in reference to your idea that ‘Receiving Jesus = The Eucharist’, surely then one would have to change every reference to Jesus or Christ to read “The Eucharist”?

The Scriptures clearly teach us that recieving Jesus is something quite seperate from remembering His death, one would have to change many Scriptures to make this so.

Originally Posted by ***RagamuffinBlues ***
Are you not supposed to agree with what has been handed down to us by our Lord, through the Apostle, and the Church?

Yes, exactly, which is what the Catechism contains - that which “has been handed down to us by our Lord, through the Apostle(s), and the Church.”

Yes, ‘Apostles’ - I saw it, but hoped you would twig.

refer next comment, for the rest of my reply…

 

[RagamuffinBlues]

continued…the second part of my reply…(quotes and arranging done by RagamuffinBlues, for your reading comfort and ease… )))))))))))

Originally Posted by ***RagamuffinBlues ***
mmm. One day that last trumpet shall sound.

I have studied the whole of the gospel according to John, and enjoy reading it all in context.

Originally Posted by LindaSK
And, your understanding of the Bread of Life Discourse would be…

Yes, Linda. The Word and the Spirit we may indeed eat and drink, but to eat and drink blood, body, bones …] is a rather tall tale and one that I eschew, as it seems to be an old case of attempting to dumb down previous statements of Jesus, as those who are not yet born of the Spirit and the Word are inclined to do. Hence rather than repeat, I remain comfortable…etc etc etc.

Originally Posted by ***RagamuffinBlues ***
This seems to be more about your beliefs, than a response to where I am, etc. (your first response, in this reply)

Originally Posted by LindaSK
Which again is where exactly? Do you want to find Jesus in the Eucharist? Is this even where you want to be, or are you just defending where you are? Please be more specific.

I hope by now what I believe it becoming visible enough to eat and drink.

Originally Posted by ***RagamuffinBlues ***
I do not agree.
mmm.
I would think it might be better to celebrate His victory over sin and death, and the glorious resurrection. No?

Originally Posted by LindaSK
There is no resurrection without His crucifixion. No Easter without Good Friday. The Eucharist is a daily reminder of Christ’s love, sacrifice and promise to be with us always. We can’t choose to, or afford to, skip that part of His life and fast forward to the resurrection.

John 15 , Luke 9

Walking by faith and not senses (alone) prevents us from falling off the edge of the world. Faith works by love, just one of those fantasical things about being a child of G_d, born of the Spirit and the Word.

Originally Posted by ***RagamuffinBlues ***
Question 2:
What is sin?

Perhaps this should be the next thing we can talk about, seeing as I have already explained to you that I am comfortable in my skin.

Originally Posted by LindaSK
If this is truly the case, the point of this thread would be… I will end here for now and wait for your response.

Yes, I think it might be something we can talk about.

btw. I think I am going to put all the quote parts in quotes, to make it easier for your to reply to. I hope.

Peace to you to,
Eric J. Sawyer.

**What is TUL? ** A philosophical phrase which I use when talking about, the one in whom we live and move and have our being. “The Unknown Landscape” – I shall change it now to read…“The Unknown Landscape”

 

[JRKH]

Okay, it is time to move on to something else: (something which LindaSK referred to in her explanation of the Eucharist, which she says differs from that which is described by the Vatican.)

Question 2:

What is Sin?

Sincerely,
Eric J. Sawyer

The Greek term used in the the NT is this:
hamartano ham-ar-tan’-o perhaps from 1 (as a negative particle) and the base of 3313; properly, to miss the mark (and so not share in the prize), i.e. (figuratively) to err, especially (morally) to sin:–for your faults, offend, sin, trespass.

Based on the definitions above, Sin then in it’s broadest and perhps mildest sense is error. It is that which seperates us from God. Sin in it’s more serious sense is willful disobedience to and rejection of God.

The Catechism has a number of paragraphs explaining various aspects of sin but perhaps the most basic is this one:
386 Sin is present in human history; any attempt to ignore it or to give this dark reality other names would be futile. To try to understand what sin is, one must first recognize the profound relation of man to God, for only in this relationship is the evil of sin unmasked in its true identity as humanity’s rejection of God and opposition to him, even as it continues to weigh heavy on human life and history.
There are several other paragraphs in the Catechism that expound on this basis and thye can be accessed HERE

Peace
James

 

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