Can you Help me determine if this is Mortal sin? VERY IMPORTANT

[Angel7]

Last Sunday, I believe it was. I went to Receive My Lord, Jesus, In The Holy Eucharist.
Usually I make a quick examination of conscience while I am in the pew (I don’t examine my conscience before The Mass, although I should)

What I say to myself is “I don’t know that I have Mortal Sin on my soul” I don’t feel anything, and if I did, I would know and wouldn’t forget right?

Before I received Jesus a thought came into my head.

“Is not examining my conscience earlier, and only examining my conscience while I am in the pew a mortal sin?”

When this thought came, I guess it made me nervous.
I think I tried to fight it off, and prove it wasn’t.

However, I was just moments away from receiving Jesus, so I received.

I had this “I don’t care” attitude I think. So I received Jesus anyway.
It wasn’t a desire to hurt Jesus, it was a desire to receive him and I guess I ignored my conscience.

Is this Mortal sin?

I believe, on my way back, I found a “way” to prove my thought wasn’t mortal sin.
It was because “I didn’t Know if it was sin, so I shall assume it isn’t until I find out if it is”

All help appreciated very much.
I also have a question on whether something else I mentioned here was sin. but I’m not sure if I should make a new thread. What do you think?

May The Lord Our Loving God Bless You All!

 

[denver_faithful]

I think you’re being over scrupulous. I don’t even think it was grave matter, and on top of that you most definitely didn’t meet the criteria of sufficient reflection and knowledge.

Don’t worry about it! And if you are, then you should talk with your confessor about it. It’s very hard to counsel a person about the nature of their sin (mortal or venial) on an internet forum. Your confessor knows you much better.

And again, I say, I don’t think it was a sin at all.

I for one know when I’ve committed a mortal sin.

 

[larry85704]

Isn’t mortal sin when you have no relationship to God, by your choice?

I really wonder about this. There seems to be evidence in Scripture, and the CCC, that permits full membership in the Church while (lets say committing adultery as an example) committing grave sins. I think full membership in the Church included Communion. The CCC describes grave sin and mortal sin extensively. Is it ok to say that grave sin and mortal sin are the same? They do not seem to be the same in the CCC.

Seems to me that if you are going to Communion you choose to have a relationship with God. So, how can you be in the state of mortal sin?

 

[ANNE_2]

Mortal Sin and anything mentioned as “grave” in the CCC are the same thing.

CCC - " 1857 For a sin to be mortal, three conditions must together be met: “Mortal sin is sin whose object is grave matter and which is also committed with full knowledge and deliberate consent.”

It is very good to examine your conscience.
There is not enough time during Mass, and should be done when you have time to do a thorough job.

If it does not say so in the “CCC 2nd Ed” don’t be concerned.

Here is a link that can be used for an examination of conscience.
fathercorapi.com/Examination-of-Conscience-Making-a-Good-Confession-W13C85.aspx

 

[denver_faithful]

Mortal Sin and anything mentioned as “grave” in the CCC are the same thing.

CCC - " 1857 For a sin to be mortal, three conditions must together be met: “Mortal sin is sin whose object is grave matter and which is also committed with full knowledge and deliberate consent.”

It is very good to examine your conscience.
There is not enough time during Mass, and should be done when you have time to do a thorough job.

If it does not say so in the “CCC 2nd Ed” don’t be concerned.

Here is a link that can be used for an examination of conscience.
fathercorapi.com/Examination-of-Conscience-Making-a-Good-Confession-W13C85.aspx

They are not the same thing, as the definition you provided clearly shows. If a sin is grave matter, it must also meet the knowledge and consent criteria before it becomes mortal.

 

[caoindealbhan]

No.

 

[ANNE_2]

They are not the same thing, as the definition you provided clearly shows. If a sin is grave matter, it must also meet the knowledge and consent criteria before it becomes mortal.

My statement stands.
Mortal Sin and anything mentioned as “grave” in the CCC are the same thing.
In order for a person to commit a grave or mortal sin the knowlege and consent criteria are required except as stated below.

Here is an example:
CCC - " 1472 To understand this doctrine and practice of the Church, it is necessary to understand that sin has a double consequence.
Grave sin deprives us of communion with God and therefore makes us incapable of eternal life, the privation of which is called the “eternal punishment” of sin.
On the other hand every sin, even venial, entails an unhealthy attachment to creatures, which must be purified either here on earth, or after death in the state called Purgatory. This purification frees one from what is called the “temporal punishment” of sin. These two punishments must not be conceived of as a kind of vengeance inflicted by God from without, but as following from the very nature of sin. A conversion which proceeds from a fervent charity can attain the complete purification of the sinner in such a way that no punishment would remain.

CCC - “1801 Conscience can remain in ignorance or make erroneous judgments. Such ignorance and errors are not always free of guilt.”

CCC - “1791 This ignorance can often be imputed to personal responsibility. This is the case when a man “takes little trouble to find out what is true and good, or when conscience is by degrees almost blinded through the habit of committing sin.” In such cases, the person is culpable for the evil he commits.”

 

[Chrono13]

Last Sunday, I believe it was. I went to Receive My Lord, Jesus, In The Holy Eucharist.
Usually I make a quick examination of conscience while I am in the pew (I don’t examine my conscience before The Mass, although I should)

What I say to myself is “I don’t know that I have Mortal Sin on my soul” I don’t feel anything, and if I did, I would know and wouldn’t forget right?

Before I received Jesus a thought came into my head.

“Is not examining my conscience earlier, and only examining my conscience while I am in the pew a mortal sin?”

When this thought came, I guess it made me nervous.
I think I tried to fight it off, and prove it wasn’t.

However, I was just moments away from receiving Jesus, so I received.

I had this “I don’t care” attitude I think. So I received Jesus anyway.
It wasn’t a desire to hurt Jesus, it was a desire to receive him and I guess I ignored my conscience.

Is this Mortal sin?

I believe, on my way back, I found a “way” to prove my thought wasn’t mortal sin.
It was because “I didn’t Know if it was sin, so I shall assume it isn’t until I find out if it is”

All help appreciated very much.
I also have a question on whether something else I mentioned here was sin. but I’m not sure if I should make a new thread. What do you think?

May The Lord Our Loving God Bless You All!

Usually, our sins make us suffer, which is why confession is a conversation. So that you can recieve encouragement and love from priest, not just stamp that you are forgiven.

If you have mature Catholic mind, and you felt no reason whatsoever to be denied Eucharist- you can receive it. This is most basic thing. Submission is not something done in the row on the way to the altar. It is done in your soul, wherever you are.

 

[Bookcat]

They are not the same thing, as the definition you provided clearly shows. If a sin is grave matter, it must also meet the knowledge and consent criteria before it becomes mortal.

Mortal sin=grave sin=serious sin

These terms are interchangable in the Church.

Though I understand clearly what you are saying here…

For one to commit a mortal sin (grave sin, serious sin)

one not only needs grave matter but also full knowledge and complete consent…