Canonical Transfer UPDATED

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Thanks for the link 5Loaves!

Vico,
Your list of sufficient and insufficient reasons, where did you get them from? How much authority do these lists have? Thanks!!
 
smad0142 said:
Thanks for the link 5Loaves!

Vico,
Your list of sufficient and insufficient reasons, where did you get them from? How much authority do these lists have? Thanks!!
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Most everything regarding canon law for the east is from these two sources:

Inter-Ecclesial Relations Between Eastern and Latin Catholics: A Canonical-Pastoral Handbook
by Dimitri Salachas & Krzysztof Nitkiewicz,
English Edition by George Dmitry Gallaro, 2009, 157 pp.,
ISBN 1-932208-23-2

Comparative Sacramental Discipline in the CCEO and CIC,
edited by Francis J. Marini, 272 pp.,
ISBN 1-932208-01-01

clsa.site-ym.com/store/view_product.asp?id=315681
 
So those are the reasons an Eastern Bishop would consider, but would a Roman Bishop also consider them?
 
I often wonder if my draw to Eastern Christianity is related to my family’s historical heritage from the Austrian Empire in the province of Bohemia where I once read that Eastern Orthodoxy executed an aggressive evangelization effort, undermining the Catholic/Latin Rite.presence. No matter, I still feel drawn to Byzantine Catholicism.

I’m interested in Vico’s list too.
 
mardukm said:
For a Latin to transfer to an Eastern or Oriental Church, the only one you need to contact is the Eastern or Oriental bishop. He will handle everything else for you.

It is harder for an Eastern or Oriental to transfer to the Latin Church, which requries the involvement of both bishops. IIRC, this also requires papal approval, which the RC bishop will handle.

Blessings,
Marduk
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And really, the latter circumstance should pretty much never happen.
 
smad0142 said:
So those are the reasons an Eastern Bishop would consider, but would a Roman Bishop also consider them?
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Yes. The grounds for the transfer is given on the protocol, such as:

“preservation of liturgical and spiritual life in particular circumstances”.
 
Very interesting. That protocol is spelled out in those books you mentioned I am guessing?
 
Pardon all the questions, but you are the first person to really clear the smoke around the whole process.

Can you give me a basic run down of the form?

And do certain reasons carry more weight than others? Especially ancestral Eastern Catholicism on one or both sides of the family tree? Even if such claims of ancesrtal EC are made by the ancestors but are not backed up by sacramental records?

All the best, thanks!!
 
Vico said:
Sufficient reasons:
  • Unification of Church sui iuris in a family (mother, father).
  • Return to the Church sui iuris of one’s ancestors.
  • Spouse who wishes to transfer for peace and unity in the home.
  • Physical or moral impossibility by permanent circumstances to use one’s own Church sui iuris.
  • Domicile and or activity among those who are almost all of another Church sui iuris.
  • Entry into religious life under different Church sui iuris.
  • Incardination to serve different Church sui iuris.
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My request contained nothing like any of the above.
Insufficient reasons:
  • Education, attending school or church or sacraments, in another Church, or ignorance of own Church sui iuris with good knowledge of other Church sui iuris.
  • Good for the soul (because all churches are good for the soul).
  • Defects in a Church (because all churches are have defects).
  • Peace of mind or conscience cannot be judged.
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My letter basically said I had found a true home in the Eastern Church, and a phrase about being guided on the path to my salvation and redemption-- basically of a twist on your “for the good of the soul”. It was a very short paragraph. Of course my ECC parish priest had to write a “letter of endorsement” as well. There was no hesitation in approving my change. We have a parishioner in the works right now doing the change West to East. I think the hang up has been getting a copy of his/her records of sacraments of initiation from the Latins. A number of us have already spoken in other threads of how the Latin Church images it is so great at record keeping but it ain’t!

I will say I made no reference to the Latin Church at all in my letter; my change had nothing to do with the Latin Church. I was not seeking to leave it. I love the Latin Church. I’m still very involved with a Latin parish and regularly worship there and other Latin options (ie Dominican priory). I was seeking to formalize the truth of where God has graciously placed me in my theosis.
 
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