Canonical Transfer

[aemcpa]

Well, technically the term would be “the Latin Church”; but in casual conversation lots of people say “the Roman Church”, so I’m not sure why this particular instance seems to bother you so much.

I don’t object to the term per se, but to the context, in which the OP, a member of the Latin Church, stated, “I can’t go back and be spiritually fed in a Roman church.”

 

[malphono]

Peter J;10539782:

Well, technically the term would be “the Latin Church”; but in casual conversation lots

of people say “the Roman Church”, so I’m not sure why this particular instance seems to bother you so much.

I don’t object to the term per se, but to the context, in which the OP, a member of the Latin Church, stated, “I can’t go back and be spiritually fed in a Roman church.”

This isn’t my argument, but I have to ask: Is there something wrong with what the OP said? Do you know the OP personally to say that this statement is not true?

Absent either of those, it seems to me that what the OP said was quite reasonable. It does happen that some people of the Latin Church, even those born and raised in it, actually do, believe it or not, find spiritual nourishment in the East.

 

[Angel_Gabriel]

This isn’t my argument, but I have to ask: Is there something wrong with what the OP said? Do you know the OP personally to say that this statement is not true?

Absent either of those, it seems to me that what the OP said was quite reasonable. It does happen that some people of the Latin Church, even those born and raised in it, actually do, believe it or not, find spiritual nourishment in the East.

yes I’m really failing to understand what I said that was so disrespectful of the Latin Church?

(and yes I know the real name is Latin Church but when I’ve used that while talking to most people I know they have no clue what it means…most think it’s either the Latin Mass or a Hispanic Church so I’ve given up on that and just say Roman Church)

@aemcpa: have you ever been to a Byzantine Divine Liturgy?

Edited to add: a little background on me…I was born and baptized in the Roman Catholic Church and raised in it by my mom. My dad is a Seventh Day Adventist and if you don’t know much about them I’ll just sum it up with this …anti-Roman Catholic and completely ignorant of anything else. Perhaps that sounds uncharitable and it probably is…having half your family treat you like a second class citizen does that to you. However growing up we didn’t have the traditional Roman Catholic devotions…we didn’t pray the Rosary, have statues or crucifixes in our house, go to Mass together (except on Christmas and Easter) or anything else. My mom was an organist and we would sometimes go to Stations of the Cross during Lent. We (my brother and I ) went to Catholic grade and high school. It was the only way my mom could get some help with raising us in the Church. My dad was very much against it but eventually gave in. My brother no longer practices anything and my mom has recently suffered a crisis of faith herself. I have always been interested in the different denominations of Christianity and wanted to prove that ours was right and that my dad’s was wrong. I studied Orthodoxy and become enamored of it and the Eastern Catholic Churches. Eventually we were able to get a mission started here with a priest and have Divine Liturgy and… well, it speaks to me in a way that Roman Catholicism never did b/c honestly it was never really practiced in our home that much…so yes I am spiritually fed in the East.

 

[aemcpa]

@aemcpa: have you ever been to a Byzantine Divine Liturgy?

I go occasionally. My parish actually hosted one in January during the Chair of Unity Octave and even built a temporary iconostasis for the occasion. I sang with the choir for that Divine Liturgy, and I have sung a number of Divine Liturgies as well as Vespers. A group from my parish got to meet His Beatitude Sviatoslav when he was in Philadelphia last year, and we assisted at the Great Canon of St. Andrew of Crete this year.

 

[Angel_Gabriel]

I go occasionally. My parish actually hosted one in January during the Chair of Unity Octave and even built a temporary iconostasis for the occasion. I sang with the choir for that Divine Liturgy, and I have sung a number of Divine Liturgies as well as Vespers. A group from my parish got to meet His Beatitude Sviatoslav when he was in Philadelphia last year, and we assisted at the Great Canon of St. Andrew of Crete this year.

ok, so then you know first hand that the 2 rites are different in a lot of areas.

honestly I was not being condescending towards the Roman rite. But it’s the same as someone who say attends the Latin Mass exclusively feels about having to attend the Ordinary form or even a Life-teen Mass…and vice versa. I know lots of people who go to the Ordinary Form who wouldn’t even dream of going to a Latin Mass . They don’t feel nourished either.

 

[KevinM09]

I love going to the Divine Liturgy. To me, it’s the Christian form of Temple worship. The songs and the prayers are beautiful and speak to my soul. :byzsoc: I love the Divine Liturgy and wouldn’t go anywhere else.

 

[ByzCath08]

But that is, in fact, what is happening, is it not?

No more so than someone who loves the EF of the mass and not the OF of the mass. Like others have said, I felt a strong draw to the Divine Liturgy, much more so than I ever felt to the OF mass. And attending the DL, I found myself growing spiritually in a way that I never did in the latin rite. So my desire to change canonical status had more to do with my own spiritual well being & less with any perceived defect or lacking in the latin rite.

 

[Felixir]

I agree. I am fortunate that I converted to and was baptized in the Orthodox Church before becoming Catholic. Prayers offered for you.

Hello Zekariya.

That’s really interesting - how did it come about?

Felixir

 

[Angel_Gabriel]

UPDATE!

I just sent our letters to the Roman Bishop and the Ukrainian Bishop about 2 weeks ago and just received their replies… and… it’s official now…my husband, myself and our 4 kids are officially Ukrainian Greek Catholic This was a journey 5 years in the making if not more and we are very pleased . Our youngest was also Baptized, Chrismated and Communed earlier this year which was also nice!

 

[Miserissima]

update!

I just sent our letters to the roman bishop and the ukrainian bishop about 2 weeks ago and just received their replies… And… It’s official now…my husband and our 4 kids are officially ukrainian greek catholic this was a journey 5 years in the making if not more and we are very pleased . Our youngest was also baptized, chrismated and communed earlier this year which was also nice!

congratulations!!!

 

[ByzCath08]

Many years!

 

[MorEphrem]

UPDATE!

I just sent our letters to the Roman Bishop and the Ukrainian Bishop about 2 weeks ago and just received their replies… and… it’s official now…my husband, myself and our 4 kids are officially Ukrainian Greek Catholic This was a journey 5 years in the making if not more and we are very pleased . Our youngest was also Baptized, Chrismated and Communed earlier this year which was also nice!

Congratulations. And Teshbohtho lMoryo (glory to God) that your child will be able to receive the bread of life from the very beginning of their life.

 

[Angel_Gabriel]

Thank you all

 

[babochka]

UPDATE!

I just sent our letters to the Roman Bishop and the Ukrainian Bishop about 2 weeks ago and just received their replies… and… it’s official now…my husband, myself and our 4 kids are officially Ukrainian Greek Catholic This was a journey 5 years in the making if not more and we are very pleased . Our youngest was also Baptized, Chrismated and Communed earlier this year which was also nice!

Thank you for the update!