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roemer
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Cardinal O’Connor started her cause several years ago. How long do you think it will take to raise her to saint ?
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amarikidd
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She need some miracles attributed to her intersession first.
I love Dorothy Days writings. I love how she and Mother Teresa both served God by serving those who are rejected by society.
I read in one biography how before her baptism, she would walk down the road to Daily Mass, holding her toddlers hand, reciting Hail Marys while swinging her Rosary. What a beautiful image!
In many ways Day is a perfect saint for our times because she a modern urban working girl (lived in a flat in NYC, wrote for newspapers), and truly was involved in a life of sin before she Came Home (lived with different men, had a child out of wedlock, hit the bars, lived in The Village at the beginning of it’s Gayness).
She had an abortion and writes about how she is responsible for that murder, how her murder of her child destroyed her and how she spent a good part of her life trying to recreate that dead child. She explains how the evil of abortion persists after the act itself,and in that light would be a great patron saint of life
(St Giovanna sacrificed herself for someone right to life-learn from her vs Days= I murdered my child, learn from my horrible sin)
But I think the Magesterium is somewhat hesitant to proclaim a murderer (and a one with Socialist leanings
) as a Saint unless there are clearcut miracles involved. On the otherhand, Paul murdered a lot of Jewish Christians before his sight was taken in the desert so you never know.
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I love Dorothy Days writings. I love how she and Mother Teresa both served God by serving those who are rejected by society.
I read in one biography how before her baptism, she would walk down the road to Daily Mass, holding her toddlers hand, reciting Hail Marys while swinging her Rosary. What a beautiful image!
In many ways Day is a perfect saint for our times because she a modern urban working girl (lived in a flat in NYC, wrote for newspapers), and truly was involved in a life of sin before she Came Home (lived with different men, had a child out of wedlock, hit the bars, lived in The Village at the beginning of it’s Gayness).
She had an abortion and writes about how she is responsible for that murder, how her murder of her child destroyed her and how she spent a good part of her life trying to recreate that dead child. She explains how the evil of abortion persists after the act itself,and in that light would be a great patron saint of life
(St Giovanna sacrificed herself for someone right to life-learn from her vs Days= I murdered my child, learn from my horrible sin)
But I think the Magesterium is somewhat hesitant to proclaim a murderer (and a one with Socialist leanings
) as a Saint unless there are clearcut miracles involved. On the otherhand, Paul murdered a lot of Jewish Christians before his sight was taken in the desert so you never know.Keep praying
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Bonnie
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I hope she is cannonized - I consider her a saint. As for the sins she commited before her conversion - so what? I did some pretty awful things before my conversion. It’s nice to think of saints who can understand human frailty, rather than those who seemed to have been holy from birth.
As for her socialist ideas - read the book of Acts! The first Christians were socialists, or, in the proper use of the word, communists.
As for her socialist ideas - read the book of Acts! The first Christians were socialists, or, in the proper use of the word, communists.
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Susanm
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Wow, I’ve never done any “pretty awful things” at all in my life and I’m not a Saint… There are so many people who have given examples of how to live a good life!!!
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amarikidd
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I apologize if you think I was being judgmental-far from it. Like any convert, those who have fallen away, or any human, (except Mary and Jesus of course), Day illustrates that anyone can come home. That is the lesson of the Prodigal Son, and the Samaritan Woman. The reward is that much bigger for those who fell that much farther (LK 15:8-10) All good things.
Susan! You are most definitely a saint! We are part of the Communion of Saints, all called to be perfect, as He is perfect.
Bonnie, I think you are unaware of the fundamental Social Teaching of the Church, which emphasizes the official doctrines of Common Good and Natural Law. Please AskAnApologist for better clarification, but Socialism, like Communism are against Church teaching. Jesus himself said let Caesar have his (Mt 22:15-22). JPII who had a most personal hand in the end of Communism, has many encyclicals devoted to the topic.
Again, the Apologists can explain the rules much better than I.
Reagrdless I’d love to have Day cannonized sooner than later cause I’d love to name a daughter Dot.
Susan! You are most definitely a saint! We are part of the Communion of Saints, all called to be perfect, as He is perfect.
Bonnie, I think you are unaware of the fundamental Social Teaching of the Church, which emphasizes the official doctrines of Common Good and Natural Law. Please AskAnApologist for better clarification, but Socialism, like Communism are against Church teaching. Jesus himself said let Caesar have his (Mt 22:15-22). JPII who had a most personal hand in the end of Communism, has many encyclicals devoted to the topic.
Again, the Apologists can explain the rules much better than I.Reagrdless I’d love to have Day cannonized sooner than later cause I’d love to name a daughter Dot.
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Bonnie
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I didn’t say Communism, as was done in Russia, but communism proper. That is, holding all things in common. As described in Acts & lived out in monasteries & convents. I don’t think the Church has anything against communal living!
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Smack_Daddy
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The problems with Communism and Socialism is their atheistic viewpoints. If you put God back in the picture, then Communism and Socialism are closer to the social encylicals of the Church than Capitalism is. IMHO
I love Dorothy Day, too.
I love Dorothy Day, too.
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Bonnie
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I think that often there is a knee-jerk reaction to the word “communism” because that’s what the dictators in Russia called their form of government.
True communism is voluntary, not coerced, and is God-centered.
I think it’s good to have official saints who were sinners before their conversions - that means there’s hope for me! If a saint is born good, that’s a hard example to follow for those of us who didn’t have the advantage of starting out Catholic or having Catholic parents.
My teen dd has a problem with saint stories that show them as goody-two-shoes. The only one she really likes is Blessed Kateri (after whom she is named) because her story is so dramatic.
True communism is voluntary, not coerced, and is God-centered.
I think it’s good to have official saints who were sinners before their conversions - that means there’s hope for me!
If a saint is born good, that’s a hard example to follow for those of us who didn’t have the advantage of starting out Catholic or having Catholic parents.My teen dd has a problem with saint stories that show them as goody-two-shoes. The only one she really likes is Blessed Kateri (after whom she is named) because her story is so dramatic.
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