Cardinal Mahony's 180?

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It just shows that the Spirit continues to work through the Church to protect Truth.

Why are you surprised?

What’s bad about reinstalling kneelers?
 
I attended a mass presided by Cardinal Mahony once. Young girls in tutus pranced around in the processional and I choked on a whole-wheat holy communion shaped like fig-newton.

I spent countless masses kneeling on the stone floor staring at the back end of people in front of me.

Cardinal Mahony was one of the reason I left California.
 
He is? Well, happy birthday to him…he looks good for his age.
 
TarAshly said:
ok im confused…:confused: …why is this bad?
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It’s not. People assume that because Mahony doesn’t squelch liturgical dance and other questionable innovations that he won’t encourage Catholics to be pro-life. Remember, we are talking about some one who actualy criticized the democratic party for its pro-abortion stance—*at their own convention. *
I agree that there are some questionable things going on at some parishes in the Archdiocese of Los Angeles, which I have personally seen, but there are also parishes where some very traditional things are happening. In fact, Mahony even permits Tridentine masses to be celebrated in his archdiocese–which I have personally attended.

It’s an inodinately large and exptremely diverse diocese, and while it’s not perfect, I believe the man is doing the best he can with what he’s got. He seems to infuriate both the very conservative and the very liberal with the way he does his job. I have never personally heard Mahony preach anything that is contrary to catholic teaching.

I’m not quite sure what the deal is about the kneelers. Many parishes in the Archdiocese of LA have them. Most of the ones I’ve seen, anyway, including the new Cathedral.

Dai Yoshida, Just out of curiosity, at what parish was this liturgy you attended? I have one or two guesses, but I’d like to hear…
 
Little Rose:

Somewhere around Woodland Hills. Name escapes me. They had a fountain for the holy water instead of fonts.

I wouldn’t hold him responsible for abuses in individual parishes.
But mandating standing after Agnus Dei and after reception of Communion was his personal decision.

As for the Tridentine mass, there are none in Los Angeles unless you’re talking about the twice a month mass at St. John Vianney Chapel. There are certainly none in a regular parish.

As a Catechist, I had to fight the Religious Education Office every step of the way. And don’t get me started on the RE Congress.
 
Dai_Yoshida said:
Somewhere around Woodland Hills. Name escapes me. They had a fountain for the holy water instead of fonts.
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Ah. I was shooting for a certain parish in Santa Barbara. 🙂
Dai_Yoshida said:
I wouldn’t hold him responsible for abuses in individual parishes.
But mandating standing after Agnus Dei and after reception of Communion was his personal decision.
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Yes, though it is within his authority as a Bishop. At minimum, we are required to kneel during the consecration (which is still done). While I’m not totally comfy w/ standing after communion, I understand his reasons for trying to make the liturgy reflect our unity in communion by having everyone stand till all receive.
Dai_Yoshida said:
As for the Tridentine mass, there are none in Los Angeles unless you’re talking about the twice a month mass at St. John Vianney Chapel. There are certainly none in a regular parish.
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The Archdiocese of LA goes all the way up through Santa Barbara County, which at its farthest reaches is a three hours drive from LA, if traffic allows. (That’s what I mean by the diocese being oversized. The city of LA by itself is large and demanding enough assignment.) The particular tridentine mass I was referring to is done at the Mission San Buenaventura in Ventura, which is a regular parish. IT’s a bit of a drive, but at least from a geographic point of view it’s a fairly central location.
Dai_Yoshida said:
As a Catechist, I had to fight the Religious Education Office every step of the way. And don’t get me started on the RE Congress.
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I won’t. I’ve been to the RE Congress several times. 🙂
 
LittleRose said:
The Archdiocese of LA goes all the way up through Santa Barbara County, which at its farthest reaches is a three hours drive from LA, if traffic allows. (That’s what I mean by the diocese being oversized. The city of LA by itself is large and demanding enough assignment.) The particular tridentine mass I was referring to is done at the Mission San Buenaventura in Ventura, which is a regular parish. IT’s a bit of a drive, but at least from a geographic point of view it’s a fairly central location.
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But that’s my point. In an archdiocese this large, why is there only one regular mass? It’s not for the lack of desire. The Dominicans and the Carmelites made numerous request for a regular Tridentine mass in diocesan parishes they are serving. They were denied each time.
 
LittleRose said:
Please clarify.
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It was not presented as an option. We were told that this was in accordance with the US norm. We were guided through rehearsal before mass to make sure everyone was following along. When priests reported that it was causing confusion, they were ignored; or worse.
 
Dai_Yoshida said:
It was not presented as an option. We were told that this was in accordance with the US norm. We were guided through rehearsal before mass to make sure everyone was following along. When priests reported that it was causing confusion, they were ignored; or worse.
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Hm. Interesting. At the parish I was attending when the change was made, we weren’t told that. We were told it was an Archdiocese of LA thing, not a US norm. The parish priests made an effort to educate people on why the change was made. There are still some people who kneel, but overall the transition was fairly smooth.
 
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