Cardinal Pell not a conservative?

[Wonko_the_Sane]

rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2009/01/pell-as-new-prefect-for-bishops.html

I read this article on Rorate Caeli, and I thought it was pleasant news.
However, there were a few comments that disturbed me.
Here’s one of them:

Anonymous:

Pell going to the Congo for Bishops! Well where isn’t he going - Westminster? CDF? Liturgy? Every time a vacancy pops up Pell’s name is mentioned. However the thought that he might have anything to do with the appointment of bishops makes me shudder. Let us look at some of those appointed during his “watch” + Bradley, +Pourteous, +Grech.

If Pell were appointed to the Bishop’s Congregation we may well see bishops being replaced with Lay Executives on six figure salaries for such is his practice in the Corporation (formerly the Arch Diocese) of Sydney.

As for the suggestion that he is an “arch - consevative” it takes more than a few statements and the odd bit of dressing up to ern that title.

And another:
John L:

Pell is undoubtedly not an archconservative. From what I can figure out he believes in people who will not rock the boat. What he woudl do in Rome is hard to say - especially since we don’t know the program the Pope would ask him to promote. I think he is loyal and would obey the Pope’s orders more or less.

Am I missing something? I always thought my Bishop was vey conservative, and loved him for it.
Does anyone know what these people are going on about?

 

[Canto]

Pell has always seemed conservative to me. Speaking out against abortion for example even though the media attacked him. He comes across as a very decent man with good homilies.

The blog obviously seems to be by a lay person with no authority having a big whinge.

One poster noted the “circus that was WYD with the music and pagan rituals in the liturgy.” Mozart, a Latin Sanctus and Agnus Dei, O Sacred head sore wounded by St. Bernard sounds like good music to me even if the ‘theme song’ was popy for the youth.

Pagan ritual in the mass Mass? Am I missing something here???

The Stations of the Cross was particualry moving and recieved great media coverage.

As for the event itself one major media outlet noted that after all the whinging from the media, the kids were actually happy, there was an extrodinary sense of joy, and without sex or drugs or alcohol

Most recently Pell wrote and intro and gave an imprimatur to a book titled This is the Mass aka Sursum Corda (lift up your hearts). A very orthodox coffe-table book on the Biblica and historical basis of the Mass and it’s sacrafice with some great quotes from Augustine. Very orthodox.

 

[bpbasilphx]

I know nothing about Cardinal Pell, but I’m willing to say that he, like just about everybody else (including John Paul II and Benedict XVI), is conservative in some ways and liberal in others.

 

[Wonko_the_Sane]

Pell has always seemed conservative to me. Speaking out against abortion for example even though the media attacked him. He comes across as a very decent man with good homilies.

The blog obviously seems to be by a lay person with no authority having a big whinge.

One poster noted the “circus that was WYD with the music and pagan rituals in the liturgy.” Mozart, a Latin Sanctus and Agnus Dei, O Sacred head sore wounded by St. Bernard sounds like good music to me even if the ‘theme song’ was popy for the youth.

Pagan ritual in the mass Mass? Am I missing something here???

The Stations of the Cross was particualry moving and recieved great media coverage.

As for the event itself one major media outlet noted that after all the whinging from the media, the kids were actually happy, there was an extrodinary sense of joy, and without sex or drugs or alcohol

Most recently Pell wrote and intro and gave an imprimatur to a book titled This is the Mass aka Sursum Corda (lift up your hearts). A very orthodox coffe-table book on the Biblica and historical basis of the Mass and it’s sacrafice with some great quotes from Augustine. Very orthodox.

I think the person was referring to the processions which had a very aboriginal and torres strait islander theme to them. Dancing and waving sticks around. I scratched my head too.

And I do actually have a copy of Sursum Corda: This is the Mass.
That’s why I’m so confused. I always saw that my bishop was as conservative as one could be, and here are these people saying otherwise. I was just wondering if there is another side to his story that I had no idea existed.

 

[AJV]

I’m sorry in advance if this sounds sanctimonius but…

I doubt anyone really knows half of what goes on in chanceries or about their bishops, what are their feelings, the inner workings, etc., etc.

Church politic gossip has this delicious quality to it when we’re in the “know”. Do you know what Bishop so-and-so is doing in his diocese? Yes, you’d think he’s doing *this *but actually… Let me tell you of what my brother’s wife’s brother’s mother-in-law saw with her own two eyes…

And we attach labels to clergy as if they are supermarket items. Too conservative, too liberal, just right, etc., etc.

Practically it doesn’t help anything, least of all the spiritual life, to be concerned about things like this. We should all, irrespective of such subjective ‘conservativeness’ or ‘liberalness’ or any intermediates, be praying and sacrificing for an increase in the sanctity of all our priests and bishops so that they can live their vocations in accordance with God’s will.

 

[brigid12]

Practically it doesn’t help anything, least of all the spiritual life, to be concerned about things like this. We should all, irrespective of such subjective ‘conservativeness’ or ‘liberalness’ or any intermediates, be praying and sacrificing for an increase in the sanctity of all our priests and bishops so that they can live their vocations in accordance with God’s will.

Definitely!!!

For curiosity sake only, from what I’ve seen, Pell is conservative for his diocese but not at all, compared to …say…Burke.

That said, I really agree with the previous poster!!!

 

[bkovacs]

rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2009/01/pell-as-new-prefect-for-bishops.html

I read this article on Rorate Caeli, and I thought it was pleasant news.
However, there were a few comments that disturbed me.
Here’s one of them:

And another:

Am I missing something? I always thought my Bishop was vey conservative, and loved him for it.
Does anyone know what these people are going on about?

A shame we can’t travel back in time. When we had only the clergy, who would preach, teach, and perform the Mass. Today, way to much lay involvement!. Did the apostles hand out salaries to their disciples?.

 

[brigid12]

Did the apostles hand out salaries to their disciples?.