Cardinal Ratzinger on Communion

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If all of the bishops in America recieved this letter from our good friend in Rome, Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger, then why did the NCCB find it necessary to form an “Task Force of Bishops?”
Also, take a look at rest of the De Fide website, and comment on it…
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Justin
 
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If all of the bishops in America recieved this letter from our good friend in Rome, Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger, then why did the NCCB find it necessary to form an “Task Force of Bishops?”
Also, take a look at rest of the De Fide website, and comment on it…
God Bless,

Justin
Why??? WHY??? You ask WHY??? Come on, Justin, I can’t type for that many hours!!! This country is a mess and a shambles spiritually. Killing babies is okay. Two men or two women getting married is okay. Prayer in schools is not okay. Fornication and adultery and divorce and contraception are acceptable things. Killing old people is okay. Making babies in laboratories is okay. Eat, drink, & be merry is the norm for all of the U.S.A. Children are being raised by daycares. And most Catholics are going along with all or part of it. And very many Bishops and Priests are going along with some of it. We are immersed in a culture of death, as our Holy Father put it. And most Catholics don’t even know it!!! Most Catholics do not know that a Christian life entails PRAYER, STUDY, COMMUNITY & SERVICE.

Bishops are supposed to be Shepherds in teaching Catholic Truth and in correcting us and leading us. Why do they need a Task Force? They can’t just go charging in like bulls and telling people they can’t receive Holy Communion. Bishops are teachers. A real Shepherd will be gentle. I think of Christ on the cross saying, Father, forgive them, they don’t know what they’re doing. That’s us our Lord is talking about!!! A Task Force can be like a sounding board, trying to figure out how to proceed. Vatican has plenty of such things, they just might not call them task forces. You know our Church moves slowly for the mere fact that any movement affects people around the world.

As far as the web site you mentioned goes, this is not how Scriptures tells us to take care of things, this to me is Scandal. Look up Scandal in the index of the Catechism. It makes me wonder if any Bishop has sat down and catechized Mr. Kerry. The Good Shepherd went after the one, leaving the 99. Are there Bishops and Priests out there with the Heart of Jesus? Also, how about Mr. Kerry’s Mom, Dad, brothers, sisters & friends that are Catholic??? Have they tried to speak with him? They all have responsibility in this. Do THEY know Catholic Truth and Teachings? Is Mr. Kerry living the Catholic life through prayer and the Sacraments? Is his wife assisting him? Does anyone in his life love him enough to care for his soul? And us, and each one of us, are bound to pray for him and the situation because if we’re the Body of Christ, we pray for all.
 
Phew, that was a heck of a response! I suppose that I didn’t make myself totally clear on why I was asking why…
If the bishops recieved this letter from Cardinal Ratzinger, then why form a special task force? Why not just come together as bishops, and do what bishops do…talk about how to teach the faith? This special taskforce business just seems like a title to give the media some food saying: “The Catholics are talking about how to fix the problem.” In all honesty, it seems like a political position. Sure, the findings of the task force are rock solid, and have been commended by Cardinal Ratzinger, but I still ask the question: Why is it necessary to get a special group of bishops together, when we are essentially facing the same problems the church has always faced? Why not just understand what the church teaches, come together as a body of bishops, and pastorally teach the faithful?
As far as the website goes…
I just found that on another thread…I think it was in the Keating E-Letter from July 13. I haven’t given the site much thought, but I figured I’d see what kind of comments people might throw out about it.
Thanks again for your response!
God Bless,

Justin
 
(Note: I recognize that Canon 915 and the Papal encyclical should, together with the Cardinal’s letter, make everything clearly defined… but here I will just examine the Cardinal’s letter and what that means now, since it is obvious that the US bishops are not taking Canon 915 and Ecclesia de Eucharistia very seriously or literally…)

Like most things in the Church, the response to this crisis will happen slowly… whether we like it or not. The Church is a very “prudent” (some say too prudent) mother, preferring to wait (and wait, and wait) before admonishing the children. While there are signs that Rome is becoming a bit more urgent in her requests to her “older” children (ie, the bishops), Rome still seems to be coming only a step at a time to actual intervention.

Much as I respect and listen to Cardinal Ratzinger, his statement carries only his weight with it–from what I understand of the Church, his letter alone is not binding, in and of itself, upon all. (This is true even though he is a prefect, and even if it was sent with papal approval). *Only *infallible Magisterial teachings are binding upon reception by all Catholics; and the only Magisterial teachings that can come from a single individual are the ones from the Pope himself, spoken "ex cathedra".

Therefore, there is reason to have our US bishops also meet to discuss the matter further after receiving the letter from Cardinal Ratzinger. The normal Magisterial process outside of the Papal decree utilizes the instruction of the bishops as a whole (as in the Vatican Councils etc) It is a matter of implementation and interpretation in light of the unchanging truths known by Scripture and Tradition. As well, it has always been recognized by the Church that there are many different human cultures (including our modern-day American culture), and while the Truth must never be compromised, the way it is taught must be balanced with the needs of the particular people it is addressed to–by each particular bishop.

Now, do I want to see our bishops take a more proactive role in implementing the instructions given by Cardinal Ratzinger and Cardinal Arinze today? Sure, but I’m not a bishop… and we must never forget the authority factor – even the Pope himself (when not speaking infallibly) is “first among equals” and his positions carry the same weight as any other bishop. Our Church is not a democracy by any means; but it is a “group effort” of sorts, with checks and balances inherent in its human structure.

If you look back upon Church history, you see many individual saints taking quick action when they saw it necessary, but there are few times (if any) where the Church’s ecclesial and Magisterial community leapt to its feet and charged ahead.

All this having been said, I can’t help but think of a signature line that I saw from someone on these forums – “member of the Cardinal Ratzinger Fan Club–putting the smackdown on heresey since 1981”!! :rotfl: Personally, I am firmly in that fan club, and am wishing for a little bit of “smackdown” here! (This kind of attitude probably explains why I am not a bishop…😛 )

And like I said at the beginning, I do not understand why this “problem” exists in the first place, since there is numerous Magisterial material on this subject that is laid out clearly and unequivocally… but anyway.

Just some thoughts and my :twocents:

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mikworld:
I suppose that I didn’t make myself totally clear on why I was asking why…
If the bishops recieved this letter from Cardinal Ratzinger, then why form a special task force? Why not just come together as bishops, and do what bishops do…talk about how to teach the faith? This special taskforce business just seems like a title to give the media some food saying: “The Catholics are talking about how to fix the problem.” In all honesty, it seems like a political position. Sure, the findings of the task force are rock solid, and have been commended by Cardinal Ratzinger, but I still ask the question: Why is it necessary to get a special group of bishops together, when we are essentially facing the same problems the church has always faced? Why not just understand what the church teaches, come together as a body of bishops, and pastorally teach the faithful? Justin
I’m passionate about loving our Church, Justin, all of this stuff kills me. . . . there is so much dissension WITHIN the Church is the biggest problem. Lack of unity. Personal agendas. It has become somewhat of a political arena instead of being Christ-centered. And many Bishops are being swayed by theologians and popular opinion instead of looking to the Holy See.

I was watching the Bishops Conference on TV one night and I couldn’t believe how they were talking about Purgatory. You would have thought this one Bishop had never even read the Catechism!!! He was unsure about some aspects of it, many others in line with questions had similar queries, and I was shocked. These Bishops are supposed to be Teachers and they don’t know these things??? Cardinal Avery Dulles ended up correcting them, giving them Church Teaching, but this one Bishop I mentioned said it was not the way he understood it and not the way he taught his people. They tabled it to talk about it at a later time. Yow!!! These are our leaders.
 
Veritas,
I like your response, I can fly with that.

Ivi,
Thanks for responding again. I do have to ask why you quoted my last post on this thread, and didn’ t address it at all…please explain.
I do think the De Fide organization is a bit over the top. However, excommunication would be an absolute final measure to be taken with people who publicly promote scandal to the faith. Remember, excommunication isn’t a punishment, it is a smack up the side of ones head in an effort to get them to wake up!
First, the bishops need to completely agree on the truth, which the Catholic church teaches. If our shepherds decide to accept the simple fact that absolute truth is real, and the churches dogmatic teachings are absolute, then we will start to see some serious progress in our nation and world.
Pray for the bishops…that’s what a group of my friends are doing. We are all taking a day of the week and fasting on it (except Sunday) for our bishop here in the Archdiocese of Portland in Oregon. I think we should pray that our bishops will have a renewed belief in the existence of Satan, as he is surely pleased with apostolic sucessors denying his existence, and he is undoubtedly quite pleased with the lack of unity in the church. It’s time to get back to the basics. Vatican II was trying to renew the church by making it work like the early church might have. I think we have only scratched the surface of what Vatican II will do, and there will be much renewal to come. Renewal is obviously needed, for so many in the flock are confused and mislead.
God Bless,

Justin
 
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