Catechism Apologetics Cheat-sheet

[Fidelis]

I think you mis-read that exchange.

My reply was to Michael Hager’s post, which was in reply to the post that linked a Bible cheat sheet–and he said that that cheatsheet was better/more useful than the one you posted, because it was more useful for dealing with protestants.

I didn’t read anything in your OP which led me to believe it was primarily limited to addressing protestant concerns.

(and frankly, Bible cheat sheets are more common; your CCC cheat sheet, imo, was more novel and original).

But if that’s what you had in mind…that’s what you had in mind–I’m not going to pretend to tell you (or anyone) what you were thinking.

 

[autumnmoon]

Just wanted to chime in and say thank you!

/QUOT

Very true, people are the reflection of what they believe in no matter what faith they are. I have had some criticism concerning me joining the Catholic church. From Baptist to Pentecostal and there on. I have gone to manyyyyyy churches in my life time and have see people in their daily life, what they believe and thought I was a saved person for a long time. God corrected me as I spoke of the awful things I saw to Him that I was just as bad, that the reason I was noticing it more was I also was seeing myself in them. He also showed me,
the answer to my questions. Then don’t do those things, or don’t be that way, Don’t treat others in the bad manner they have treated you. The people of this world are our brothers and sisters, all over the world Protestant, Catholic, or what they want to call themselves. It’s a sick and dieing world that we all are guilty of it being this way. Are we really reflecting the love of God the way we act, seen or unseen? Each of us are on our own journey, we will stand before God individually. People say they are Christian’s and go to their church but yet they have such hate toward other faiths and people that are lost to there own ways and from God. It was given to us by Jesus Christ his continued purpose, to minister to a lost world using the love of God. Where is our common sense. We don’t participate in the sins but allow God to use us to reach out to people that have lost their way, or never knew or received the way to God. That’s what we should be doing as Christians, brothers and sisters of the world. Instead the devil has us blindsided distracting us,A good 90% of the Christian churches with so much fighting among ourselves, gossiping, shunning, snubbing, busybodies, backstabbing, immorality, neighbors not there to help each other, running people out as fast as they come in, we have only contributed to giving Christianity a black eye.
I was called out to this dieing world as my journey to do in my lifetime what ever I can do to help repair the damage done to the ministry Jesus Christ left for us to do. What can we do as brothers and sisters representing what Jesus died for the whole world, to just start getting people that’s lost hope to believe in God again without the tug of war.
With Great love for you all in Christ.

 

[autumnmoon]

Just wanted to chime in and say thank you!

did you get my response? if we are not the reflection of what we say, what then do we offer to ones that is living a lost life the reason to come whereto where we worship?

 

[autumnmoon]

Just wanted to chime in and say thank you!

God Bless You

 

[Waynec]

My pleasure. I didn’t jump in at the first post so I didn’t know you had already mentioned it.

God Bless

 

[fred_conty]

threeminuteapologetics.blogspot.com/

This is a 3 minute answer site. It is mainly biblical but looks good. You might get some ideas from it.

 

[JohnR77]

I think that one was kind of a work in progress that I never clearly spelled out. My intention in including it was to combat the common false charge by some non-Catholic Christians that the Catholic Church “removed” the part of the 10 commandments that prohibited making and worshiping idols.

On page 551 of the compact edition of the CCC it lists 3 versions of the 10 commandments, including the full commandment that includes the supposedly removed text (this entry in the Catechism doesn’t have a paragraph number, so I just put the page number.

I think a better way of handling this reference might be:

Idolatry, Included in RC 10 commandments: CCC 2110–14, p. 551

Hi,

I don’t have that edition.
I address this issue here

defendingthebride.com/mc/sa/sab24.html#ten

Is the text you are referring to here under the First Commandment ?

usccb.org/beliefs-and-teachings/what-we-believe/catechism/catechism-of-the-catholic-church/epub/OEBPS/36-chapter16.xhtml#chapter16

By the way
Is Cheat-Sheet the proper name ?
Assuming we achieve our goal, the only loser is Satan.
But since he has separated himself from God’s grace, Satan has no Rights. He only has wrongs, one wrong after another.

So, shouldn’t we be calling this a Win-Win Sheet ?

John

 

[Fidelis]

Hi,

I don’t have that edition.

Is the text you are referring to here under the First Commandment ?

usccb.org/beliefs-and-teachings/what-we-believe/catechism/catechism-of-the-catholic-church/epub/OEBPS/36-chapter16.xhtml#chapter16

I don’t think the page I’m referring to is in any online edition, just the printed ones. This Cheat Sheet is intended for use with those.

By the way
Is Cheat-Sheet the proper name ?
Assuming we achieve our goal, the only loser is Satan.
But since he has separated himself from God’s grace, Satan has no Rights. He only has wrongs, one wrong after another.

So, shouldn’t we be calling this a Win-Win Sheet ?

John

It’s a “Cheat Sheet” because it’s a compact resource that helps you to quickly finding important and useful sections in the Catechism without going the tedious and time-consuming work of flipping through the pages or scouring the index. If I called it a “Win-Win Sheet” no one know what the heck I was talking about. I think the name “Catechism Apologetics Cheat Sheet” is apt and descriptive, easy to remember, and I like it. So I’m keeping it.

 

[Luz_Maria]

Greetings, Fidelis!

Thank you for the great job you are doing! freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-happy107.gif

I know this website is in English and people who participate are from different countries. I have two CCCs, 2nd Edition of the CCC that the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops put out, one in English and one in Spanish. The section numbers (§ – is that what they are called?) correspond one with the other, but the page numbers are way off. Page 551 of the CCC in English is from § 2284 to 2288; in Spanish is § 2680 - 2684. Some words in Spanish have to be translated to a sentence in English!

I am not telling you at all how to do this work. I only want to bring this to your attention.

I looked it up because I am used to having the books in our in-Spanish and in-English Catholic Bibles in different order! Go figure! http://www.pic4ever.com/images/89.gif

When I have time, I will go through my notes and see which CCC “teachings” I use when taking care of my Family. I do not have the numbers in my head.

Thanks again for all you are doing.​

 

[Fidelis]

Greetings, Fidelis!

Thank you for the great job you are doing! freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-happy107.gif

I know this website is in English and people who participate are from different countries. I have two CCCs, 2nd Edition of the CCC that the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops put out, one in English and one in Spanish. The section numbers (§ – is that what they are called?) correspond one with the other, but the page numbers are way off. Page 551 of the CCC in English is from § 2284 to 2288; in Spanish is § 2680 - 2684. Some words in Spanish have to be translated to a sentence in English!

Thanks for the kind words and the info on the Spanish versions of the *Catechism, *Luz Maria. If anyone ever decides to reproduce this Cheat Sheet in Spanish (or any other language) the variations in the different language versions of the Catechism would be important to keep in mind.

 

[Luz_Maria]

Thanks for the kind words and the info on the Spanish versions of the *Catechism, *Luz Maria. If anyone ever decides to reproduce this Cheat Sheet in Spanish (or any other language) the variations in the different language versions of the Catechism would be important to keep in mind.

You are welcome!

I was going through the list and found:
Euthanasia: 2276—2276

Question: Should it be
Euthanasia: 2276—2277 ?

2278 is re: Discontinuing medical treatment
2279 is more about palliative care that may shorten a person’s life.

Thanks!

Take care,​

 

[michaelhager]

Greetings, Fidelis!

Thank you for the great job you are doing! freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-happy107.gif

I know this website is in English and people who participate are from different countries. I have two CCCs, 2nd Edition of the CCC that the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops put out, one in English and one in Spanish. The section numbers (§ – is that what they are called?) correspond one with the other, but the page numbers are way off. Page 551 of the CCC in English is from § 2284 to 2288; in Spanish is § 2680 - 2684. Some words in Spanish have to be translated to a sentence in English!

I am not telling you at all how to do this work. I only want to bring this to your attention.

I looked it up because I am used to having the books in our in-Spanish and in-English Catholic Bibles in different order! Go figure! http://www.pic4ever.com/images/89.gif

When I have time, I will go through my notes and see which CCC “teachings” I use when taking care of my Family. I do not have the numbers in my head.

Thanks again for all you are doing.​

I have three versions of the US Bishops version of the Catechism all with different page numbers. This is simple formatting issue. The pocket size version a bit less information per page. The desk version has somewhat more information per page. And The YouCat is somewhat truncated and a much smaller book designed for youth. Simply put, the page numbers are not as important as the paragraph numbers.

 

[Luz_Maria]

I have three versions of the US Bishops version of the Catechism all with different page numbers. This is simple formatting issue. The pocket size version a bit less information per page. The desk version has somewhat more information per page. And The YouCat is somewhat truncated and a much smaller book designed for youth. Simply put, the page numbers are not as important as the paragraph numbers.

Thank you. Yes. I know that. It is just that a page number was given at one point. It is like in the Bible: what matters is that the Book is in the Bible. One must give the name of the Book and not that it is the last one in the OT.

 

[JohnR77]

Thanks Fidelis for your creative solution.
It will prove beneficial for many reasons!

Since, I complained about the O.T. citations explaining “until”
[all of my Old Testament sources do not actually use the the word “until” for any of those cited.]
I wanted to share the New Testament references I prefer. Plus some others.

defendingthebride.com/ma4/until.html

UNTIL Until - Doesn’t imply a change … ** Matthew 28:20, 1 Cor. 15: 25, Matthew 13:33, Acts 25:21 **
FIRSTBORN
Firstborn - A special status, not necessarily a numerical sequence … **Deut. 21:17, Numbers 18:15-16, 1 Chronicles 5:1-2, Gen 41:52, Jeremiah 31:9, Psalm 89: 21, 28 **
defendingthebride.com/je/divine.html#quick

Jesus is God

**John 1:1 - “the Word was with God, and the Word was God.”
John 5:18 - “called God his Father, making himself equal with God.”
Exodus 3:14 - “God replied … ‘I AM.’ ”
John 8:58 - “Jesus said … before Abraham was, I am.’ ” RSV
John 10:33 - “you, being a man, make yourself God.”
John 20:28 - “Thomas answered him, ‘My Lord and my God!’ ”
Acts 20:28 - “ … tend the church of God that he acquired with his own blood.” NAB **

Actually, this is fine terrain to engage protestants–the Hebrew Bible was reconstituted from the Greek Septuagint in/around 200 AD. The original Hebrew scripts were lost upon the sack of J’lem by the Romans, in 70 AD, and the resulting diaspora of the Jews.

The Septuagint was prepared between 200-100 BC, and all 12 tribes of Israel were represented in translating it. This is further born out by the fact in that the Jewish authorities held it in high enough esteem, as to use it as basis for the newer Hebrew translation.

Also worth noting: Christ and the Apostles knew/used the Septuagint. This is born out by over 135 passages in the NT, which refer to the OT, to the exclusion of the Hebrew OT.

Also worth noting: When the Jewish authorities sought to re-translate/translate back from the Septuagint (Greek) to Hebrew in 200 AD, Christianity had already taken hold–as a sub-sect of Judaism. Hence it was in their interest to translate it to make it less Christological–which they did.

So bottom line is that it proves nothing of the sort about the Septuagint (i.e.–that they ‘didn’t know what they were doing’); the Septuagint holds up just fine against history.

Hi Goya,
Thanks for the interesting history lesson.
Personally, I have no problem with your history.
However, is it possible some Protestants will not accept you, or your sources, as an infallible source of history? So, is it not likely that some Protestants will continue to hold : i.e.–that they ‘didn’t know what they were doing’.

Are not the citations from the Septuagint contingent on education the Protestant about the Septuagint, convincing them it is accurate, and providing them with a copy of it to reference?

So, then don’t you agree with all of my original statements, specifically that these Old Testament references are weaker in their ability to help convince the Protestant than the New Testament ones since the older ones are contingent upon us convincing the Protestants about the translations being not just good, but IDENTICAL in meaning ?

John

 

[Fidelis]

Thanks Fidelis for your creative solution.
It will prove beneficial for many reasons!

Since, I complained about the O.T. citations explaining “until”
[all of my Old Testament sources do not actually use the the word “until” for any of those cited.]
I wanted to share the New Testament references I prefer. Plus some others.

defendingthebride.com/ma4/until.html

UNTIL Until - Doesn’t imply a change … ** Matthew 28:20, 1 Cor. 15: 25, Matthew 13:33, Acts 25:21 **
FIRSTBORN
Firstborn - A special status, not necessarily a numerical sequence … **Deut. 21:17, Numbers 18:15-16, 1 Chronicles 5:1-2, Gen 41:52, Jeremiah 31:9, Psalm 89: 21, 28 **
defendingthebride.com/je/divine.html#quick

Jesus is God

**John 1:1 **- “the Word was with God, and the Word was God.”
John 5:18 - “called God his Father, making himself equal with God.”
Exodus 3:14 - “God replied … ‘I AM.’ ”
John 8:58 - “Jesus said … before Abraham was, I am.’ ” RSV
John 10:33 - “you, being a man, make yourself God.”
John 20:28 - “Thomas answered him, ‘My Lord and my God!’ ”
Acts 20:28 - “ … tend the church of God that he acquired with his own blood.” NAB

Hi Goya,
Thanks for the interesting history lesson.
Personally, I have no problem with your history.
However, is it possible some Protestants will not accept you, or your sources, as an infallible source of history? So, is it not likely that some Protestants will continue to hold : i.e.–that they ‘didn’t know what they were doing’.

Are not the citations from the Septuagint contingent on education the Protestant about the Septuagint, convincing them it is accurate, and providing them with a copy of it to reference?

So, then don’t you agree with all of my original statements, specifically that these Old Testament references are weaker in their ability to help convince the Protestant than the New Testament ones since the older ones are contingent upon us convincing the Protestants about the translations being not just good, but IDENTICAL in meaning ?

John

You guys are way off topic. Might I recommend you start a new thread for this?

 

[Fidelis]

You are welcome!

I was going through the list and found:
Euthanasia: 2276—2276

Question: Should it be
Euthanasia: 2276—2277 ?

2278 is re: Discontinuing medical treatment
2279 is more about palliative care that may shorten a person’s life.

Thanks!

Take care,​

Thanks Luz Maria. I believe I meant to put down 2276-2279 for this reference. I’m changing mine to that.