Catholic families getting children baptized outside the Catholic Church

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…are not Catholic, yet they are Christian. Anyone ever done or thought about this before. What if a Catholic baptizes their child in other than a Catholic cerimony and then returns shorted there after the being Catholic? If the child is not baptized in a Catholic Church, what happens to the child? Are they not Catholic now and have to wait until they are at the age of reason to convert by means of RCIA/RCIC? Are they obligated to get married through the Catholic Church?
 
The Church acknowledges Trinitarian Baptism from many Christian denominations (but not non-Trinitarian, like Mormons for example). Baptism is one of the great uniting grounds for ecumenical discussion.
 
I believe that as long as the form and intent of the baptism are correct, that is, water is used and the words “I baptise thee in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit” are spoken then it is a valid baptism.

Why would a Catholic not baptise in the Catholic Church, though? It will require an investigation later to ensure that the person may move forward with the other sacraments.
 
Maybe I wasn’t clear.

I’m talking about a set of Catholic parents that have fallen away from Catholicism, have a child, and then have their child baptized (or do it themselves in a church for example to show witnesses) in a Protestant Church. We are also assuming use of the trinitarian formula (aka: valid baptism). Does the child have to wait until they are at the age of reason or could a 6 to 7 year old receive first communion? At what point would a child of such a family be required canonically to marry in the Catholic Church? (just as an example)

Theoretically speaking. I have other curios thoughts that I’d like to post just to get feedback. But we’ll save those for other threads.
 
Maybe I wasn’t clear.

I’m talking about a set of Catholic parents that have fallen away from Catholicism, have a child, and then have their child baptized (or do it themselves in a church for example to show witnesses) in a Protestant Church. We are also assuming use of the trinitarian formula (aka: valid baptism). Does the child have to wait until they are at the age of reason or could a 6 to 7 year old receive first communion?
The canonical norm is that the child has reached the age of reason, I’m not sure I understand why it would be otherwise?
At what point would a child of such a family be required canonically to marry in the Catholic Church? (just as an example)
At what point? When they fell in love, and if they decided to accept the responsibility of Catholic marriage.
 
The parents can bring their child into full communion with the Catholic Church if the child is under the age of 7. This is via a public profession that they are doing so. The priest would complete the rites of baptism such as the white garment, candle, anointing, etc. The child would then receive the remaining sacraments of initiation at the appropriate time.

If the child is over the age of 7, they are an adult and would have to make their own profession of faith after instruction in the faith (RCIA) and would receive the remaining sacraments of initiation.
 
At what point would a child of such a family be required canonically to marry in the Catholic Church?
If the child is baptized outside the Catholic Church, he/she is not a Catholic and therefore not subject to Catholic law on marriage.

Therefore, the child becomes subject to canon law when and if the child becomes a Catholic either by their parents’ profession (under age 7) or their own (over age 7).
 
If the child is baptized outside the Catholic Church, he/she is not a Catholic and therefore not subject to Catholic law on marriage.

Therefore, the child becomes subject to canon law when and if the child becomes a Catholic either by their parents’ profession (under age 7) or their own (over age 7).
Thank you 1ke - just on a personal note - I was baptized in a Protestant Church. My father did not attend mass for decades going to service with my mother. It was not until I converted as an adult that my father found his way back to the Church through prayer and conversation. To answer your question about what happens to these children - what happens is what God had planned and what free will allows Him to do with His creations.
 
…are not Catholic, yet they are Christian. Anyone ever done or thought about this before. What if a Catholic baptizes their child in other than a Catholic cerimony and then returns shorted there after the being Catholic? If the child is not baptized in a Catholic Church, what happens to the child? Are they not Catholic now and have to wait until they are at the age of reason to convert by means of RCIA/RCIC? Are they obligated to get married through the Catholic Church?
we face this all the time. people here often want to go back to Mexico for sacraments, their family are not active Catholics so they seek out a local church that looks Catholic and make the arrangments, when I get the baptismal certificate so the child can prepare for first communion, it is Anglican or some other denomination. The parents are clueless. In this case the child goes through RCIA, makes a profession of faith, is confirmed and receives first communion (preceded by first confesson). Practically their faith formation and sacramental preparation parallel their Catholic peers, and they are only separated during immediate preparation for Easter. But it means a steep learning curve for the parents.

The other common scenario is the parents were not married (or married only civilly) or otherwise were advised to defer baptism of their child because they could provide no evidence of any intent to raise the child Catholic, as they themselves were not practicing. they left in a huff and got the child baptized in another denomination. When the child is brought for first communion essentially the same plan is followed.

I emphasize we do what meets the needs of families here and follows our bishop’s guidelines. the procedure in other dioceses may be different.

a third very common scenario here is blended families, where each child has a different last name, parents are of different faiths, or spent time in another denomination, so some children are not baptized, some baptized Catholic with no faith instruction whatever, some baptized in another denomination. Some are school age, some high school age, some even young adults. And the parents desperately need faith instruction, and help completing their own sacraments, or getting marriages convalidated.

Try explaining to the parents why the sacramental preparation and timing for each family member is going to be different. For all intents and purposes older children, middle grades and up, who are not baptized or have not made first communion are usually in the same “catch-up” class and are separated only when it is time for rites specific to the RCIA. The big difference is confirmation, which is always conferred at the same time an adult (over age 7) is baptized, and usually when a non-Catholic is brough into the Church through profession of faith and first communion.

a bigger problem is children brought for first communion by the Catholic parent who is divorced. The non-Catholic parent shares custody and the child was baptized non-Catholic or not baptized at all, but is being taken to that parents church as well, and by middle school is completely confused. Those cases must be judged carefully, pastorally, individually and the child himself must be interviewed by the pastor to ascertain if he is embracing the Catholic faith himself. These are actually the saddest because of the damage done to the faith of the children. By their teen years these are often to ones who reject the Christian faith altogether because of the conflicting message received from their parents.
 
I believe that as long as the form and intent of the baptism are correct, that is, water is used and the words “I baptise thee in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit” are spoken then it is a valid baptism.

Why would a Catholic not baptise in the Catholic Church, though? It will require an investigation later to ensure that the person may move forward with the other sacraments.
A friend of mine is doing that. Her first child was baptized in the Catholic Church but her second is being baptized in the Anglican Church. When her mother called her on it she replied “A. was baptized Catholic to make you happy; this one is being baptized Anglican to make his Anglican grandparents happy.” Neither she nor the children’s father ever go to church unless she’s home at Christmas.
 
We are in this situation with our two oldest boys. My husband was born and raised Catholic, while I was baptised Catholic but raised in a Methodist church. He had fallen away from the church when we got married, so we married in the Methodist church that I grew up in. Our first two boys were baptised in the Methodist church.

Since then, we’ve decided to come back to the Catholic church. We had our marriage convalidated, then I went through RCIA last year and then received first communion and confirmation this past Easter. Our youngest son was born in December, and he was baptised in March in the Catholic Church.

My oldest two boys are 9 and 11. Our diocese requires two years of religious education for children, so they went to the classes with their peers this past school year, and then in the fall they will go through a sacrament preparation class (basically RCIA for kids) and then come into the church at Easter 2012.

From what I understand, if we’d decided to come to the church when they were young enough to enter the first communion classes with their peers, then they would have gone that route, but since they were already past age 7, they will follow the same procedure as adults coming into the church but through a class that has been modified for children.
 
we face this all the time. people here often want to go back to Mexico for sacraments, their family are not active Catholics so they seek out a local church that looks Catholic and make the arrangments, when I get the baptismal certificate so the child can prepare for first communion, it is Anglican or some other denomination. The parents are clueless. In this case the child goes through RCIA, makes a profession of faith, is confirmed and receives first communion (preceded by first confesson). Practically their faith formation and sacramental preparation parallel their Catholic peers, and they are only separated during immediate preparation for Easter. But it means a steep learning curve for the parents.

The other common scenario is the parents were not married (or married only civilly) or otherwise were advised to defer baptism of their child because they could provide no evidence of any intent to raise the child Catholic, as they themselves were not practicing. they left in a huff and got the child baptized in another denomination. When the child is brought for first communion essentially the same plan is followed.

I emphasize we do what meets the needs of families here and follows our bishop’s guidelines. the procedure in other dioceses may be different.

a third very common scenario here is blended families, where each child has a different last name, parents are of different faiths, or spent time in another denomination, so some children are not baptized, some baptized Catholic with no faith instruction whatever, some baptized in another denomination. Some are school age, some high school age, some even young adults. And the parents desperately need faith instruction, and help completing their own sacraments, or getting marriages convalidated.

Try explaining to the parents why the sacramental preparation and timing for each family member is going to be different. For all intents and purposes older children, middle grades and up, who are not baptized or have not made first communion are usually in the same “catch-up” class and are separated only when it is time for rites specific to the RCIA. The big difference is confirmation, which is always conferred at the same time an adult (over age 7) is baptized, and usually when a non-Catholic is brough into the Church through profession of faith and first communion.

a bigger problem is children brought for first communion by the Catholic parent who is divorced. The non-Catholic parent shares custody and the child was baptized non-Catholic or not baptized at all, but is being taken to that parents church as well, and by middle school is completely confused. Those cases must be judged carefully, pastorally, individually and the child himself must be interviewed by the pastor to ascertain if he is embracing the Catholic faith himself. These are actually the saddest because of the damage done to the faith of the children. By their teen years these are often to ones who reject the Christian faith altogether because of the conflicting message received from their parents.
I can definitely relate to this messed up situation. I grew up in something similar. I can even tie someone in my family that fits one of those categories, including my own children and me. Mixed faith marriages do not work well. It messes up the faith of the children. Fortunately for my domestic church I found my way back home in time to ingrain the faith deep into my own children. Fortuantely, all the time I was practicing my Protestant faith, I practiced it like a Catholic because some of the Catholic faith not only overlapped with my faith but also made much more sense. I just didn’t believe the Catholic Church was the original Christian Church. Now I know and I make sure my children know by exposing them to the material, not just saying it.

Good post.
 
we face this all the time. people here often want to go back to Mexico for sacraments, their family are not active Catholics so they seek out a local church that looks Catholic and make the arrangments, when I get the baptismal certificate so the child can prepare for first communion, it is Anglican or some other denomination. The parents are clueless. In this case the child goes through RCIA, makes a profession of faith, is confirmed and receives first communion (preceded by first confesson). Practically their faith formation and sacramental preparation parallel their Catholic peers, and they are only separated during immediate preparation for Easter. But it means a steep learning curve for the parents.

The other common scenario is the parents were not married (or married only civilly) or otherwise were advised to defer baptism of their child because they could provide no evidence of any intent to raise the child Catholic, as they themselves were not practicing. they left in a huff and got the child baptized in another denomination. When the child is brought for first communion essentially the same plan is followed.

I emphasize we do what meets the needs of families here and follows our bishop’s guidelines. the procedure in other dioceses may be different.

a third very common scenario here is blended families, where each child has a different last name, parents are of different faiths, or spent time in another denomination, so some children are not baptized, some baptized Catholic with no faith instruction whatever, some baptized in another denomination. Some are school age, some high school age, some even young adults. And the parents desperately need faith instruction, and help completing their own sacraments, or getting marriages convalidated.

Try explaining to the parents why the sacramental preparation and timing for each family member is going to be different. For all intents and purposes older children, middle grades and up, who are not baptized or have not made first communion are usually in the same “catch-up” class and are separated only when it is time for rites specific to the RCIA. The
big difference is confirmation, which is always conferred at the same time an adult (over age 7) is baptized, and usually when a non-Catholic is brough into the Church through profession of faith and first communion.

a bigger problem is children brought for first communion by the Catholic parent who is divorced. The non-Catholic parent shares custody and the child was baptized non-Catholic or not baptized at all, but is being taken to that parents church as well, and by middle school is completely confused. Those cases must be judged carefully, pastorally, individually and the child himself must be interviewed by the pastor to ascertain if he is

embracing the Catholic faith himself. These are actually the saddest because of the damage done to the faith of the children. By their teen years these are often to ones who reject the Christian faith altogether because of the conflicting message received from their parents.
This all makes my head hurt! :eek:
 
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