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Matt_Macomber
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I was wondering, will there be mass in heaven for bible-only christians?
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Revelation 22
The River of Life
1Then the angel showed me the river of the water of life, as clear as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb 2down the middle of the great street of the city. On each side of the river stood the tree of life, bearing twelve crops of fruit, yielding its fruit every month. And the leaves of the tree are for the healing of the nations. 3No longer will there be any curse. The throne of God and of the Lamb will be in the city, and his servants will serve him. 4They will see his face, and his name will be on their foreheads. 5There will be no more night. They will not need the light of a lamp or the light of the sun, for the Lord God will give them light. And they will reign for ever and ever.
17The Spirit and the bride say, “Come!” And let him who hears say, “Come!” Whoever is thirsty, let him come; and whoever wishes, let him take the free gift of the water of life.
The River of Life
1Then the angel showed me the river of the water of life, as clear as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb 2down the middle of the great street of the city. On each side of the river stood the tree of life, bearing twelve crops of fruit, yielding its fruit every month. And the leaves of the tree are for the healing of the nations. 3No longer will there be any curse. The throne of God and of the Lamb will be in the city, and his servants will serve him. 4They will see his face, and his name will be on their foreheads. 5There will be no more night. They will not need the light of a lamp or the light of the sun, for the Lord God will give them light. And they will reign for ever and ever.
17The Spirit and the bride say, “Come!” And let him who hears say, “Come!” Whoever is thirsty, let him come; and whoever wishes, let him take the free gift of the water of life.
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Trishie
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1414As sacrifice, the Eucharist [the Mass] is also offered in reparation for the sins of the living and the dead and to obtain spiritual or temporal benefits from God.
Dear Matt,
It appears to me that this will not be an issue.
In Heaven the purpose of the Mass will already have been completed.
Our union with God and the fruits of salvation will have been completed. Sacrifice will no longer be needed. The consecration of bread and wine, the transubstantiation, will no longer be needed. We will be united God forever.
From the Catechism of the Catholic Church. In brief:
vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/__P44.HTM
1407 The Eucharist is the heart and the summit of the Church’s life, for in it Christ associates his Church and all her members with his sacrifice of praise and thanksgiving offered once for all on the cross to his Father;** by this sacrifice he pours out the graces of salvation** on his Body which is the Church.
In heaven we will have that fullness of salvation and no longer need the Mass offered in Sacrifice for us.
1409 The Eucharist is the memorial of Christ’s Passover, that is, of the work of salvation accomplished by the life, death, and resurrection of Christ, a work made present by the liturgical action.
1410 It is Christ himself, the eternal high priest of the New Covenant who, acting through the ministry of the priests, offers the Eucharistic sacrifice. and it is the same Christ, really present under the species of bread and wine, who is the offering of the Eucharistic sacrifice.
1411 Only validly ordained priests can preside at the Eucharist and consecrate the bread and the wine so that they become the Body and Blood of the Lord.
In heaven we will have Christ present and won’t need the ministry of the priests in offering Mass.
1413 By the consecration the transubstantiation of the bread and wine into the Body and Blood of Christ is brought about. Under the consecrated species of bread and wine Christ himself, living and glorious, is present in a true, real, and substantial manner: his Body and his Blood, with his soul and his divinity (cf. Council of Trent: DS 1640; 1651).
In the Mass, Jesus keeps His promise when He said, "And know that I am with you always; yes, even to the end of time.” [Matthew 28:18-20]
Warm regards, Trishie
Dear Matt,
It appears to me that this will not be an issue.
In Heaven the purpose of the Mass will already have been completed.
Our union with God and the fruits of salvation will have been completed. Sacrifice will no longer be needed. The consecration of bread and wine, the transubstantiation, will no longer be needed. We will be united God forever.
From the Catechism of the Catholic Church. In brief:
vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/__P44.HTM
1407 The Eucharist is the heart and the summit of the Church’s life, for in it Christ associates his Church and all her members with his sacrifice of praise and thanksgiving offered once for all on the cross to his Father;** by this sacrifice he pours out the graces of salvation** on his Body which is the Church.
In heaven we will have that fullness of salvation and no longer need the Mass offered in Sacrifice for us.
1409 The Eucharist is the memorial of Christ’s Passover, that is, of the work of salvation accomplished by the life, death, and resurrection of Christ, a work made present by the liturgical action.
1410 It is Christ himself, the eternal high priest of the New Covenant who, acting through the ministry of the priests, offers the Eucharistic sacrifice. and it is the same Christ, really present under the species of bread and wine, who is the offering of the Eucharistic sacrifice.
1411 Only validly ordained priests can preside at the Eucharist and consecrate the bread and the wine so that they become the Body and Blood of the Lord.
In heaven we will have Christ present and won’t need the ministry of the priests in offering Mass.
1413 By the consecration the transubstantiation of the bread and wine into the Body and Blood of Christ is brought about. Under the consecrated species of bread and wine Christ himself, living and glorious, is present in a true, real, and substantial manner: his Body and his Blood, with his soul and his divinity (cf. Council of Trent: DS 1640; 1651).
In the Mass, Jesus keeps His promise when He said, "And know that I am with you always; yes, even to the end of time.” [Matthew 28:18-20]
Warm regards, Trishie
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kepha1
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Bible-only Christians, and anyone else who gains eternal life, will be Catholic in heaven.
Heb. 4:3 – God’s works were finished from the foundation of the world. This means that God’s works, including Christ’s sacrifice (the single act that secured the redemption of our souls and bodies), are forever present in eternity. Jesus’ suffering is over and done with (because suffering was earthly and temporal), but His sacrifice is eternal, because His priesthood is eternal (His victimized state was only temporal).
Heb. 9:26 – Jesus’ once and for all appearance into heaven to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself shows that Jesus’ presence in heaven and His sacrifice are inseparable. This also shows that “once for all,” which refers to Jesus’ appearance in heaven, means perpetual (it does not, and cannot mean, “over and done with” because Jesus is in heaven for eternity). “Once for all” also refers to Jesus’ suffering and death (Heb. 7:27; 9:12,26;10:10-14). But “once for all” never refers to Jesus’ sacrifice, which is eternally presented to the Father. This sacrifice is the Mal. 1:11 pure offering made present in every place from the rising of the sun to its setting in the Eucharist offered in the same manner as the Melchizedek offering.
Heb. 9:12 – Jesus enters into heaven, the Holy Place, taking His own blood. How can this be? He wasn’t bleeding after the resurrection. This is because He enters into the heavenly sanctuary to mediate the covenant of His body and blood by eternally offering it to the Father. This offering is made present to us in the same manner as Melchizedek’s offering, under the appearance of bread and wine.
The Book of Revelation shows us glimpses of the heavenly liturgy – Jesus Christ’s once and for all sacrifice eternally present in heaven. This is why the Church has always incorporated the elements that John saw in the heavenly liturgy into her earthly liturgy, for they are one and the same liturgical action of Jesus Christ our High Priest.
scripturecatholic.com/the_eucharist.html#eucharist-IIe
Heb. 4:3 – God’s works were finished from the foundation of the world. This means that God’s works, including Christ’s sacrifice (the single act that secured the redemption of our souls and bodies), are forever present in eternity. Jesus’ suffering is over and done with (because suffering was earthly and temporal), but His sacrifice is eternal, because His priesthood is eternal (His victimized state was only temporal).
Heb. 9:26 – Jesus’ once and for all appearance into heaven to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself shows that Jesus’ presence in heaven and His sacrifice are inseparable. This also shows that “once for all,” which refers to Jesus’ appearance in heaven, means perpetual (it does not, and cannot mean, “over and done with” because Jesus is in heaven for eternity). “Once for all” also refers to Jesus’ suffering and death (Heb. 7:27; 9:12,26;10:10-14). But “once for all” never refers to Jesus’ sacrifice, which is eternally presented to the Father. This sacrifice is the Mal. 1:11 pure offering made present in every place from the rising of the sun to its setting in the Eucharist offered in the same manner as the Melchizedek offering.
Heb. 9:12 – Jesus enters into heaven, the Holy Place, taking His own blood. How can this be? He wasn’t bleeding after the resurrection. This is because He enters into the heavenly sanctuary to mediate the covenant of His body and blood by eternally offering it to the Father. This offering is made present to us in the same manner as Melchizedek’s offering, under the appearance of bread and wine.
The Book of Revelation shows us glimpses of the heavenly liturgy – Jesus Christ’s once and for all sacrifice eternally present in heaven. This is why the Church has always incorporated the elements that John saw in the heavenly liturgy into her earthly liturgy, for they are one and the same liturgical action of Jesus Christ our High Priest.
scripturecatholic.com/the_eucharist.html#eucharist-IIe
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GEddie
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I doubt it very much. HE said, “Do this in memory of me” (Luke 22:19) and we will not need a remembrance when we have HIMself!!! No need for a liturgical sacrifice when all is forgiven and united with HIM!!! No need to transubstantiate bread into HIS body, when we will have HIS BODY by our side, to embrace HIM, and be embraced by HIM, and converse with HIM, and breathe with HIM, for ever!!!
The Mass is our remembrance of HIM on earth; Heaven is the reunion.
ICXC NIKA!
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prodigalson12
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I’ll answer a question with a question.
If Jesus came down from heaven into your living room and asked you to celebrate mass with you right there, right then, would you refuse him?
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Palaeologos
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I would think that if you’re experiencing the Beatific Vision, the Eucharist might be superfluous.
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Matt_Macomber
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Only if he preached straight out of the bible.
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Matt_Macomber
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I’m only messin’ with you Prodigalson12Only if he preached straight out of the bible.
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prodigalson12
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All masses preach straight out of the bible, we have three readings, the priest does a homily “what you would call preaching”, and teaches us about scripture and how it relates to us in our lives, both physical and spiritual. What’s cool, I tend to multi mass on the weekends, I’ll go to one mass at one church, and another at another, the homilies are different for each, but are based along the same scripture which adds some variety to it.Only if he preached straight out of the bible.
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