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I would like this thread to go ahead but fear it will be closed quite quickly if things get too hot for each other but would like it out in the open

My question is. Why is there such ‘hatred’ amongst Catholics towards those who are not Catholic. I don’t know about real life of course. I only know what gets posted here. But there does seem to be a deep resentment towards those of us the Catholics who consider us not Catholic although we all worship the same God and believe in the Holy Trinity and have all 8 Sacraments available to us all. Why are the differences dividing us rather than uniting us? What is going wrong? (and please before anyone decides to counteract the argument with why do non catholics hate Catholics-then start your own thread if that is all you want to say because personally I don’t hate Catholics but feel a certain amount of intollerance and near hatred by that I am non Catholic in the eyes of Catholic as though it makes any difference with God - in my own opinion that is). We should be learning about each other and valuing each others differences rather than stab at us at any opportunity you have for telling us we not Catholic so we don’t understand or we don’t…

I hope we can be mature about this discussion please
I haven’t found much “hatred” by Catholics here. Most of those I converse with here are loving, yet strident (meant in a positive way) about their Catholic faith, and wish to defend and share it.

And, without doubt, Catholics are indeed Christian.

Jon
 
I guess I have to be more explicit when I post. I consider the Eastern and Oriental Orthodox as Catholic. They are, aren’t they or are they not considered Catholic? Thanks for the reminder.👍
Yes the Eastern Orthodox and the Oriental Orthodox are certainly Catholics 😃

Sorry I wasn’t trying to correct you sis/bro, I just thought that you were speaking only of those Churches in Communion with our Pope 👍
 
I love the Catholic Church! I wouldn’t be a Lutheran without her!

(aw cmon now, let’s all smile at each other - we can be brothers and sisters while the folks in charge get it all sorted out. Or wait on God to knit us back together…)
 
I really have not seen the disdain towards non Catholics you describe. I’m sure unfortunately it exists but in my wide circle I have not seen it. As pointed out by some, many Protestant denominations regularly slam the CC, usually on doctrine.

I see some of your point because I have recently thought, is a Catholic or Protestant going to hell for not believing the others doctrine? Yes the CC is the fullness of the faith but without the fullness are you eternally lost?

Hey, don’t be hat’in.
 
I love the Catholic Church! I wouldn’t be a Lutheran without her!

(aw cmon now, let’s all smile at each other - we can be brothers and sisters while the folks in charge get it all sorted out. Or wait on God to knit us back together…)
When we see the Holy Spirit in each other, we can do nothing but smile. 🙂

Jon
 
I would like this thread to go ahead but fear it will be closed quite quickly if things get too hot for each other but would like it out in the open

My question is. Why is there such ‘hatred’ amongst Catholics towards those who are not Catholic. I don’t know about real life of course. I only know what gets posted here. But there does seem to be a deep resentment towards those of us the Catholics who consider us not Catholic although we all worship the same God and believe in the Holy Trinity and have all 8 Sacraments available to us all. Why are the differences dividing us rather than uniting us? What is going wrong? (and please before anyone decides to counteract the argument with why do non catholics hate Catholics-then start your own thread if that is all you want to say because personally I don’t hate Catholics but feel a certain amount of intollerance and near hatred by that I am non Catholic in the eyes of Catholic as though it makes any difference with God - in my own opinion that is). We should be learning about each other and valuing each others differences rather than stab at us at any opportunity you have for telling us we not Catholic so we don’t understand or we don’t…

I hope we can be mature about this discussion please
In my personal experience friend much of the Catholic animosity towards non catholic christians, primarily fundamentalist types, is simply a return of animosity received by such groups. We all tend to like and hate the same. It’s unfortunate really. I find myself able to lose my temper quickly when trying to have an honest dialogue with a protestant especially when I start getting accused of worshiping statues, worshiping mary above or equal to God, praying to dead people, that the Church is the whore of babylon, that the Pope is the antichrist, etc etc. I often pray we all adhere to Christ and come together in one Church as He intended. Not one universal church where we’re together on core issues but separated (though this would be a start and a tremendous improvement to where we’re at today). Eventually all broken away groups will return to the Catholic Church. This is scriptural and will happen. It’s just a matter of when. Only thing keeping us apart is pride on both sides of individuals.
 
personally I don’t hate Catholics but feel a certain amount of intollerance and near hatred by that I am non Catholic in the eyes of Catholic as though it makes any difference with God - in my own opinion that is). We should be learning about each other and valuing each others differences rather than stab at us at any opportunity you have for telling us we not Catholic so we don’t understand or we don’t…
Yes, it makes a difference to God. Jesus, who is God, founded only one Church – the Catholic Church – for the salvation of the world and expects his followers to belong to it. However, some – through no fault of their own – do not know Christ or His Church. God does not hold anyone responsible for what they don’t know (Catechism of the Catholic Church 847). If you want to know what the Catholic Church teaches, the Catechism is on line at www.vatican.va, www.scborromeo.org, and many other websites.

You seem to be advocating relativism – that one religion is as good as another, and it makes no difference what one believes. What value is there in beliefs that aren’t true?

I learned to hate the Catholic Church as a Southern Baptist – I was taught from my childhood that the Church is the Whore of Babylon, the Pope is the anti-Christ, Catholics are bound for hell, and everything Catholic is evil. It took me years to unlearn that baloney. Conversely, the Catholic Church never teaches against any religion.

Peace be with you,

Jim Dandy
Ex-Southern Baptist, ex-agnostic, ex-atheist, ecstatic to be Catholic!
 
I would like this thread to go ahead but fear it will be closed quite quickly if things get too hot for each other but would like it out in the open

My question is. Why is there such ‘hatred’ amongst Catholics towards those who are not Catholic. I don’t know about real life of course. I only know what gets posted here. But there does seem to be a deep resentment towards those of us the Catholics who consider us not Catholic although we all worship the same God and believe in the Holy Trinity and have all 8 Sacraments available to us all. Why are the differences dividing us rather than uniting us? What is going wrong? (and please before anyone decides to counteract the argument with why do non catholics hate Catholics-then start your own thread if that is all you want to say because personally I don’t hate Catholics but feel a certain amount of intollerance and near hatred by that I am non Catholic in the eyes of Catholic as though it makes any difference with God - in my own opinion that is). We should be learning about each other and valuing each others differences rather than stab at us at any opportunity you have for telling us we not Catholic so we don’t understand or we don’t…

I hope we can be mature about this discussion please
I am not sure what you are referring too. Some of us use to be non-Catholic and we certainly don’t hate non-Catholics at all. Discussions though do bring up differences in teaching and beliefs and some of those differences can and do collide but that is not hatred of non-Catholics. I am glad that there are non-Catholics here, it keeps the discussion interesting and alive. I think it is a common misnomer to think that discussion of differences mean that I need to accept what someone else may believe and visa versa.
I am not sure what you mean by “valuing” someone else’s beliefs. does that mean to you the idea that “I’m ok and you’re ok” and what we may believe about God is all equal?
there is a difference between valuing a person because they are a person or valuing (agreeing) with what they believe. Thanks for being honest.
 
Anointing of the Sick should not be confused with “Last Rites”, because many are annointed without the imminent threat of death facing them from spiritual or physical ailments.

“Viaticum”, or the Last Sacrament of the Christian is the offering of the Eucharist in addition to the Anointing of the Sick for one who is about to “pass over” to the father.

See CCC 1524 and 1525. This is an important step we want to prepare for, if at all possilbe, before a terminal illness makes it impossible to physically receive the Eucharist before passing.

Peace
Generally, I know this. I was striving for a common terminology. Anglo-Catholics are likely to use Last Rites, and AFAIK the term seems to be less common among RCs than it once was. I considered mentioning Viaticum, but it is not a distinct sacrament.

I am open to correction.

GKC
 
I was born and raised as a Christian Catholic, and I didn’t even learn much about NonCatholic Christians. I knew they were there, but at my Jesuit High School, and the Catholic Churches I attended, the focus was more on the teachings of the Roman Catholic Church, and not on other NonCatholic Churches. Later, I lapsed, and I was saved by God. I met some Baptists friends, and at first they wouldn’t say much about the Catholic Church. Eventually, They couldn’t hide it anymore. They showed their hatred, and misconceptions of the Catholic Church. They said Catholics worship Mary, Catholics worship Saints, Nobody in the Catholic Church will ever find Christ, Catholics are the Modern Pharisees of Jesus time… I am glad that after God saved me, I felt a strong need to go back to the Catholic Church. Here I am as Catholic despite the hate other NonCatholics said to me with regards to The True Church of Christ.
 
I would like this thread to go ahead but fear it will be closed quite quickly if things get too hot for each other but would like it out in the open

My question is. Why is there such ‘hatred’ amongst Catholics towards those who are not Catholic. I don’t know about real life of course. I only know what gets posted here. But there does seem to be a deep resentment towards those of us the Catholics who consider us not Catholic although we all worship the same God and believe in the Holy Trinity and have all 8 Sacraments available to us all. Why are the differences dividing us rather than uniting us? What is going wrong? (and please before anyone decides to counteract the argument with why do non catholics hate Catholics-then start your own thread if that is all you want to say because personally I don’t hate Catholics but feel a certain amount of intollerance and near hatred by that I am non Catholic in the eyes of Catholic as though it makes any difference with God - in my own opinion that is). We should be learning about each other and valuing each others differences rather than stab at us at any opportunity you have for telling us we not Catholic so we don’t understand or we don’t…

I hope we can be mature about this discussion please
Here is a thought from the other side (as Catholic). Those Catholics who show strong ‘hatred’ towards non-Catholic (there is no point in denying it as feedback from the ones on the receiving end acknowledge it) are the ones who have suffered abuses and disparaging remark by non-Catholics. Sometimes that come from non-Catholics close relatives, in-laws and friends of a friend and random acquaintances and people you meet during functions or just about anywhere. Sometimes these non-Catholics can be very indiscreet and make their displeasure about Catholics in a manner that can cause hurt and retaliation. I am telling this to answer the OP because I am sure non-Catholics do receive similar venom from Catholics.

Probably the cause of this is misunderstanding of what we believe and hearsay from your fellow Christians that Catholics are unfriendly. This preconceived idea can simmer inertly in you until you find a Catholic to unleash its firepower.

Both sides can do without all these. I have some experience in inter-churches activities and fellowship. The years in getting regularly together has erased some of the prejudices that we have toward each other’s belief that there is only respect, trust and friendship left. Very often we are invited to their functions and even to speak when required.

I think Catholics do not hate without being ‘provoked’. They would be happy to get on with their belief and to pray for those who do not share it but there is no reason to hate. It’s unscriptural and unchristian.
 
Yes, This is why fellow brothers and sisters should be concerned if the church YOU attend spends significant amount of time attacking other fellow christian 👍
 
I honestly have not witnessed what you speak of here in these forums. In fact, I’ve only witnessed the opposite; that some people come here specifically for what I call “Catholic bashing”. You will recognize the “banned” status under these names after they have gotten their anti-Catholic sentiments off of their chests.

And I also must say that I have never in my life seen such specific bashing as what the Catholic Church endures. In the press, poitics, the general public and sadly from the lecterns at other denominations’ churches worldwide.

What you will never hear in a Catholic homily is the bashing of any other denomination. Ever.

Becoming Catholic opens you up to judgment, bias and downright bullying at times, such that you may have never known before. But I tell you this: You’ll never find something so worth defending.
 

i have been a convert to the catholic church for about 45 years and never in all those years have i heard bashing against non-catholics, from the pulpit.
Never, never, never

we belonged to a christian motorcycle group, for several years and some of the members were hateful when they found we were catholic. We made some very good friends with some of the members but, for the most part, they didn’t believe we were christians and they were always trying to save us and pull us out of the church.
I belong to the legion of mary, and we have gone door to door in our small town. We prayed with non-catholics and encouraged them to stay faithful in their own churches, never trying to convert them, to the catholic church. If they had no church affiliation we would extend a invitation to join us for worship
 
Sometimes I get the feeling that the bashing someone does, the more afread that they (basher) are wrong about the one they are bashing (bashee). Or the bashers may think that the bashee may have something that they (the basher) does not have. :slapfight:
 
Catholics who live the Faith do not hate Protestants. If you’re validly baptized in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, you are a Christian, and Christians are brothers.

I, for one, pity Protestants because they’re missing out on a lot by remaining outside of Christ’s Church and don’t even realize it. Many don’t understand or even believe in some or all of the sacraments.
 
Keep in mind, when someone knows something and doesn’t equivocate, it can come off sounding more harsh that it is - when a Catholic says “ours is the one true Church” - it’s not demeaning your church at all. It’s just their viewpoint.

Just as I know that my church is part of Christ’s catholic church. (That’s catholic with a small ‘c’) 🙂
 
I was born and raised as a Christian Catholic, and I didn’t even learn much about NonCatholic Christians. I knew they were there, but at my Jesuit High School, and the Catholic Churches I attended, the focus was more on the teachings of the Roman Catholic Church, and not on other NonCatholic Churches. Later, I lapsed, and I was saved by God. I met some Baptists friends, and at first they wouldn’t say much about the Catholic Church. Eventually, They couldn’t hide it anymore. They showed their hatred, and misconceptions of the Catholic Church. They said Catholics worship Mary, Catholics worship Saints, Nobody in the Catholic Church will ever find Christ, Catholics are the Modern Pharisees of Jesus time… I am glad that after God saved me, I felt a strong need to go back to the Catholic Church. Here I am as Catholic despite the hate other NonCatholics said to me with regards to The True Church of Christ.
I am sorry that you had that experience with non-Catholics. But as a life-long Lutheran, I never heard in any of my pastor’s sermons hatred of the Roman Catholic Church. In any of the classes on Lutheran doctrine, the differences are discuss between Lutheran, Roman Catholic, and Calvinist points in doctrine.
Lets face it, there are differences here on this site, but we can be rational about it, we all can learn from each other. One more point, where I live in California there are a lot of the old Spanish Mission that I have been going to see. When my wife and I enter the church, the first thing that we do is to visit the baptismal fount and make the sign of the cross and say a prayer.
 
Overall the threads I’ve read are fairly civil. But, I do have to agree with the OP that there are a few that have been rude. Does it really matter if someone else bashes first? Do we really need to bash back? The most outlandish discussions usually involve atheists taking pot shots at Catholicism. And we jump up and take the bait.

I have noted a real prejudice against Jehovah Witnesses and Mormons. They believe what they believe. It doesn’t diminish our Catholic faith in any way. The only poster I’ve seen defend them was a Quaker. Aren’t we supposed to be reaching out to Non-Believers?

All of this is my perception only…may not be another’s reality.

God Bless.
 
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