Catholic view on Qabbalah?

[JimR-OCDS]

LethalMouse

More like the same approach that most secular organizations take to be “all inclusive” to religious tolerance. A Christian Free Mason does not have to reject those things.

They’re more supposedly tolerant than in the past but its a ruse

As a previous poster stated, the name of Jesus can not be spoken in an Masonic Temple.

A Christian can not become a Mason and the Bishop of Nebraska recently warned Catholics that they would be excommunicated if they became Masons.

My brother-in-law, not a Catholic, is a high-ranking member of the Freemasons. He mocks religion every chance he gets, especially Catholicism.

Hey, but don’t go by me, learn what the Catholic Church says about it.

Jim

 

[LethalMouse]

LethalMouse

They’re more supposedly tolerant than in the past but its a ruse

As a previous poster stated, the name of Jesus can not be spoken in an Masonic Temple.

A Christian can not become a Mason and the Bishop of Nebraska recently warned Catholics that they would be excommunicated if they became Masons.

My brother-in-law, not a Catholic, is a high-ranking member of the Freemasons. He mocks religion every chance he gets, especially Catholicism.

Hey, but don’t go by me, learn what the Catholic Church says about it.

Jim

I am not saying a Catholic can be a mason but there are a great many “Christians” of one form or another that do and continue on quite actively in their christianity. I know some. There are even muslim Masons… so I mean even if there is a degree of conflict, it is not grnader than the religious who join other similar groups and go about keeping their religion.

If some christians are prochoice and not in conflict with their brand of Christianity, then logic dictates they can be masonic just as easily.

You are making the mistake of equating “christian” in the general modern fallen sense with “good catholic” though the latter may be the true form of the former, it is not the state of real life.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

I am not saying a Catholic can be a mason but there are a great many “Christians” of one form or another that do and continue on quite actively in their christianity. I know some. There are even muslim Masons… so I mean even if there is a degree of conflict, it is not grnader than the religious who join other similar groups and go about keeping their religion.

If some christians are prochoice and not in conflict with their brand of Christianity, then logic dictates they can be masonic just as easily.

You are making the mistake of equating “christian” in the general modern fallen sense with “good catholic” though the latter may be the true form of the former, it is not the state of real life.

I’m speaking about Catholic’s which this forum is about.

I know there are Christians who are masons just as there are some who support abortion.

The KKK considers themselves Christian, but it doesn’t make them so.

Many of Christian denomination in addition to Catholicism, prohibit members from becoming Freemasons, and for the same reasons I gave earlier.

But again, keep in mind that in this forum, we’re generally talking about Catholicism.

Jim

 

[LethalMouse]

I’m speaking about Catholic’s which this forum is about.

I know there are Christians who are masons just as there are some who support abortion.

The KKK considers themselves Christian, but it doesn’t make them so.

Many of Christian denomination in addition to Catholicism, prohibit members from becoming Freemasons, and for the same reasons I gave earlier.

But again, keep in mind that in this forum, we’re generally talking about Catholicism.

Jim

Yess but you are missing the point, in that if you become a full fledged baptist, you are if you want to also be catholic excommunicated.

The issue with the masons are they are more confusing.

Like one could (assuming) probably join a moose lodge or the orioles club or elks without issue. So instead of seeing the masons as going Jehovah’s Witness, many think it like a lodge.

That is why the church needs an official statement whereas they don’t go out of their way to say “If you try being a Mormon you are excommunicated”

Plus the masons unlike the Mormons or such would not “excommunicate” you for being simultaneously catholic.

It is us who don’t allow them in that sense.

My issue being that the tone is accusatory to relate them to literal satanists vs something more like protestants or a secular org in a sense.

And like joining a group in a way like planned parenthood. Some groups like that also do general stuff that might seem good like helping women who do have babies. So if you weren’t paying attention it might need mentioned that your support goes to abortions etc.

Given the more secretive nature of masons gives to why the church must say something vs many more clear cut groups like the KKK. Which of course at least now is known well enough what they are about.

This ancient rabble confused hate grudge stuff just annoys me. I am not nor looking to be a mason, but I see no reason to be anti them anymore than one should view prots, muslims, or hindus…tis outdated and unnecessary.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

=LethalMouse

That is why the church needs an official statement whereas they don’t go out of their way to say “If you try being a Mormon you are excommunicated”

You’re missing the point it appears.

The Church has a clear teaching prohibiting Catholics from becoming Freemasons.

Here’s an article on it.

CATHOLICISM VS. FREEMASONRY—IRRECONCILABLE FOREVER

What is the truth regarding the present official attitude of the Catholic Church toward Freemasonry? To begin this inquiry into that which is now in effect, we should go back to what was stated in the Church’s canon law before there was any doubt about where the Church stood on Masonry. The former code (which, incidentally, was promulgated on Pentecost, May 27, 1917, just two weeks after Our Lady’s first apparition at Fatima) contained a canon which definitely capped all the previous papal condemnations of it. Canon 2335 reads as follows:
Persons joining associations of the Masonic sect or any others of the same kind which plot against the Church and legitimate civil authorities contract excommunication simply reserved to the Apostolic See.

In the wake of the Second Vatican Council, however, when the revision of the Code of Canon Law was underway, the prevailing spirit of “ecumenical dialogue” prompted questions among various bishops as to whether or not Canon 2335 was still in force. Responding to these questions, a letter from Cardinal Francis Seper, Prefect of the Sacred Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, to the presidents of all the episcopal conferences, dated July 18, 1974, stated that: (1) the Holy See has repeatedly sought information from the bishops about contemporary Masonic activities directed against the Church; (2) there will be no new law on this matter, pending the revision of the Code now underway; (3) all penal canons must be interpreted strictly and (4) the express prohibition against Masonic membership by clerics, religious and members of secular institutes is hereby reiterated.

Read the entire text.

ewtn.com/library/ANSWERS/BACAFM.htm

Jim