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I have been doing some research on Eastern Catholics. I have been born and raised as a Latin Rite Catholic, and reading about the Eastern Catholics, I was in for some surprises. For example, some Eastern Rites have a 3rd and 4th Maccabees in their canon. This does not make sense to me, because those books were never infallibly defined as the inspired Word of God. But yet Eastern Catholics might use those books in their liturgy. Furthermore, I learned (Although I found lots of contradiction online about this one) that some Eastern Catholics reject that the holy Spirit proceeds from the Son as well as the Father. I also learned that Eastern Catholics recognize post-East West schism Saints who were “canonized” by the Orthodox Churches, but never the pope. I though canonization was an infallible statement saying one person is in heaven. If these Saints were never canonized by the pope, then they aren’t necessarily saints are they?

I don’t understand how the Church can be the one true church if its different rites do not believe the same thing. Something cannot be true for someone and not for another:shrug:🤷

Thank you for your help,

Pietro Contolini
 
I have been doing some research on Eastern Catholics. I have been born and raised as a Latin Rite Catholic, and reading about the Eastern Catholics, I was in for some surprises. For example, some Eastern Rites have a 3rd and 4th Maccabees in their canon. This does not make sense to me, because those books were never infallibly defined as the inspired Word of God. But yet Eastern Catholics might use those books in their liturgy. Furthermore, I learned (Although I found lots of contradiction online about this one) that some Eastern Catholics reject that the holy Spirit proceeds from the Son as well as the Father. I also learned that Eastern Catholics recognize post-East West schism Saints who were “canonized” by the Orthodox Churches, but never the pope. I though canonization was an infallible statement saying one person is in heaven. If these Saints were never canonized by the pope, then they aren’t necessarily saints are they?

I don’t understand how the Church can be the one true church if its different rites do not believe the same thing. Something cannot be true for someone and not for another:shrug:🤷

Thank you for your help,

Pietro Contolini
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Sources are necessary to reply to these questions - where did you learn these things?
 
I have been doing some research on Eastern Catholics. I have been born and raised as a Latin Rite Catholic, and reading about the Eastern Catholics, I was in for some surprises. For example, some Eastern Rites have a 3rd and 4th Maccabees in their canon. This does not make sense to me, because those books were never infallibly defined as the inspired Word of God. But yet Eastern Catholics might use those books in their liturgy. Furthermore, I learned (Although I found lots of contradiction online about this one) that some Eastern Catholics reject that the holy Spirit proceeds from the Son as well as the Father. I also learned that Eastern Catholics recognize post-East West schism Saints who were “canonized” by the Orthodox Churches, but never the pope. I though canonization was an infallible statement saying one person is in heaven. If these Saints were never canonized by the pope, then they aren’t necessarily saints are they?

I don’t understand how the Church can be the one true church if its different rites do not believe the same thing. Something cannot be true for someone and not for another:shrug:🤷

Thank you for your help,

Pietro Contolini
It’s not a different faith, it’s a different tradition. The Church has encouraged Eastern Catholics to keep their traditions. Read the “ORIENTALIUM ECCLESIARUM, Decree on the Catholic Churches of the Eastern Rite” All Catholics hold to the same faith under the Bishop of Rome.
 
I have been doing some research on Eastern Catholics. I have been born and raised as a Latin Rite Catholic, and reading about the Eastern Catholics, I was in for some surprises. For example, some Eastern Rites have a 3rd and 4th Maccabees in their canon. This does not make sense to me, because those books were never infallibly defined as the inspired Word of God. But yet Eastern Catholics might use those books in their liturgy. Furthermore, I learned (Although I found lots of contradiction online about this one) that some Eastern Catholics reject that the holy Spirit proceeds from the Son as well as the Father. I also learned that Eastern Catholics recognize post-East West schism Saints who were “canonized” by the Orthodox Churches, but never the pope. I though canonization was an infallible statement saying one person is in heaven. If these Saints were never canonized by the pope, then they aren’t necessarily saints are they?

I don’t understand how the Church can be the one true church if its different rites do not believe the same thing. Something cannot be true for someone and not for another:shrug:🤷

Thank you for your help,

Pietro Contolini
Hi Pietro. I cannot see why any self respecting ECs would respond to a post like the above, so I’m happy to see that none have thus far.

I think the question you actually ought to be thinking about (and I realize of course that you don’t have to respond to this, just like I don’t have to respond to your questions) is this: who knows better, the Church, or you?
 
For example, some Eastern Rites have a 3rd and 4th Maccabees in their canon. This does not make sense to me, because those books were never infallibly defined as the inspired Word of God. But yet Eastern Catholics might use those books in their liturgy.
If I understand correctly, the Church never declared that 3rd and 4th Maccabees are not inspired. When the Church declared the Books that are inspired, it did not necessarily mean that other books are not inspired. Several of the Eastern Churches used additional books, like the 2 you mentioned. The Latin Church typically did not use the additional books. When the books were infallibly declared at Trent, it was to defend the canon against the Protestants, but not to declare that some of the Eastern books were not inspired.

Many of the Eastern traditions used some of the additional books. The Western did not. Basically, what the Church declared was the minimum inspired Books of the Bible, but not necessarily all of them.
Furthermore, I learned (Although I found lots of contradiction online about this one) that some Eastern Catholics reject that the holy Spirit proceeds from the Son as well as the Father.
This is way more complex. Even Orthodox argue regarding what they believe vs. don’t believe. The important view (at least from the West’s perspective), is that the Eastern Churches believe the same thing we do, they simply express it differently (and linguistic issue). You can read all about this on 2lungs.com
I also learned that Eastern Catholics recognize post-East West schism Saints who were “canonized” by the Orthodox Churches, but never the pope. I though canonization was an infallible statement saying one person is in heaven. If these Saints were never canonized by the pope, then they aren’t necessarily saints are they?
The Church does NOT necessarily require the Pope to declare a Saint to be in Heaven in order to provide the title of Saint. There are a number of Saints which are considered Saints by in the Latin Church who were never declared a Saint by the Pope. The Eastern Catholic Churches must accept any declared Saints by the Pope as Saint, but they are also able to hold onto Saints declared by their tradition.

Technically speaking, a saint is someone in Heaven. Obviously, the Church does not know everyone who is in Heaven. The Church never declares someone is NOT in Heaven. The title of Saint is simply stating that the Church declares that someone is in Heaven. But again, there are many Saints who only have the title out of tradition, and not declared by the Pope.
I don’t understand how the Church can be the one true church if its different rites do not believe the same thing. Something cannot be true for someone and not for another:shrug:🤷
Thank you for your help,
Pietro Contolini
Again… it’s not that one believes one thing and the other does not. We all share the exact same deposit of Faith. It’s that the traditions (lower case t, not Sacred Tradition) that are different.

I pray this is helpful.

God Bless.
 
Thanks Peter J for your post. Please understand, my post was not an attack on EC. I just don’t understand some of what I have heard about them.
 
Might I ask if some Eastern Catholic Churches use the 3rd and 4th Maccabees, why the others don’t as well?
 
At no point in Church history did all Christians have the same canon of scripture. So, why do Eastern Christians have differing canons? Because they always did. That is simply how Christianity has always worked. 🤷

The modern misconception that there is only one real canon seems to be largely a product of the Protestant Reformation, imo.
 
Might I ask if some Eastern Catholic Churches use the 3rd and 4th Maccabees, why the others don’t as well?
because the Eastern Catholic Churches are not one Rite. There are several different Churches and Rites.

The Eastern Catholic Churches do not all correspond to an Eastern Orthodox Church. Some match up with the Church of the East, or the Oriental Orthodox Churches. And some never left communion with Rome or simply do not have liturgical brothers in Schism.
 
because the Eastern Catholic Churches are not one Rite. There are several different Churches and Rites.

The Eastern Catholic Churches do not all correspond to an Eastern Orthodox Church. Some match up with the Church of the East, or the Oriental Orthodox Churches. And some never left communion with Rome or simply do not have liturgical brothers in Schism.
Nothing to do with rite, per se. After all, Russians have an appendix with a 2 Esdras, while Greeks do not. Likewise, Greeks have an appendix with 4 Maccabees, while Russians do not. Both are Byzantine rite. Likewise, Ethiopians have a much wider canon than Copts, despite both being of the Alexandrian rite.

The scriptural canon has always varied by local custom, even within rites. The Latin rite having one canon, despite its wide geographical distribution, is probably influenced by the development of a uniquely centralised and authoritarian ecclesiology in the Middle Ages.
 
The Eastern Catholic Churches do not all correspond to an Eastern Orthodox Church. Some match up with the Church of the East, or the Oriental Orthodox Churches.
Just so. And, although the term “Eastern Catholics”, or ECs, is very convenient to use, in some circumstances – where clarity is crucial – I will instead say “Greek and Oriental Catholics”, or GCs and OCs.
 
Nothing to do with rite, per se. After all, Russians have an appendix with a 2 Esdras, while Greeks do not. Likewise, Greeks have an appendix with 4 Maccabees, while Russians do not. Both are Byzantine rite. Likewise, Ethiopians have a much wider canon than Copts, despite both being of the Alexandrian rite.

The scriptural canon has always varied by local custom, even within rites. The Latin rite having one canon, despite its wide geographical distribution, is probably influenced by the development of a uniquely centralised and authoritarian ecclesiology in the Middle Ages.
Thanks. That’s why I said “Churches and Rites” 😃
 
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