Catholicism vs. transhumanism

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What do Catholics think about transhumanism?

If you do not know what it is here is a website about it:

transhumanism.org/

I found this on the Catholic Answers website that deprecates transhumanism:
A group of wishful thinkers called “transhumanists” believe they can overcome all finite obstacles, including mortality. They are committed to overcoming human limits in all their forms by extending lifespan, augmenting intelligence, perpetually increasing knowledge, achieving complete control over our personalities and identities, even gaining the ability to leave the planet. Transhumanists seek to achieve these goals by reason, science, and technology, according to a spokesperson, an enterprising individual who dubs herself Natasha Vita-More (née Nancie Clark).
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The notion of human life without limits belongs to the realm of fantasy. But the beliefs expressed by transhumanists, including the eradication of all pain, illustrate how desperately unrealistic people can become when they reject their supernatural destiny. Nick Bostrom, a professor of philosophy at Oxford University and another apologist for transhumanism, anticipates a universal cure for aging:
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So what do you think about transhumanism?
 
I think its compatible with catholicism.

Catholic Transhumanist: A Catholic committed to overcoming human limits in all their forms by extending lifespan, augmenting intelligence, perpetually increasing knowledge, achieving complete control over our personalities and identities, even gaining the ability to leave the planet.
 
What do I think of transhumanism? I think if we all join hands and sing “Cumbaya” we can eradicate poverty, evil, murder, selfishness, greed, suffering and MSNBC. Because as we all know, people are good at heart, Communism works in practice and OJ is innocent. Is that sarcastic enough?
 
I think it’s a nice “idea”… world peace, happiness, joy, love… sure, who wouldn’t want to live forever if that were the case!?!

However, without acknowledging the source of pain, suffering, poverty, evil in this world… how can you eradicate it?

Like I said… it’s a nice “idea”… but in reality it ain’t gonna happen without Christ.

As Catholics, we believe that the source of all that is evil and wrong in this world is Satan.
In our own way, we ARE “transhumanists” of sorts… we cannot WAIT to live forever with Christ when the evil of this world is eradicated!
 
Em_in_FL said:
Like I said… it’s a nice “idea”… but in reality it ain’t gonna happen without Christ.
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Japan is without Christ and yet its a much better nation compared to dozens of Roman Catholic countries.
 
Em_in_FL said:
Can you give more details? “Much better” in what ways?
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in the ways that you mentioned:
“However, without acknowledging the source of pain, suffering, poverty, evil in this world… how can you eradicate it?”
Japan is proof that you dont need Christ to solve all those issues.
 
AgnosTheist said:
in the ways that you mentioned:

"However, without acknowledging the source of pain, suffering, poverty, evil in this world… how can you eradicate it?"
Japan is proof that you dont need Christ to solve all those issues.
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The last news I have from Japan, they still have all of these. So how is supposed to be “proof”?
 
davidv said:
The last news I have from Japan, they still have all of these. So how is supposed to be “proof”?
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fact is, japan is much much better off compared to catholic countries like mexico, philippines, chile, argentina, etc. you name it. this is proof that jesus makes no difference. 😃

what is christ but a placebo effect that can be matched or surpassed by the shinto & buddha placebos. 👍
 
AgnosTheist said:
fact is, japan is much much better off compared to catholic countries like mexico, philippines, chile, argentina, etc. you name it. this is proof that jesus makes no difference. 😃

what is christ but a placebo effect that can be matched or surpassed by the shinto & buddha placebos. 👍
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What is your source that shows there are no Christians in Japan?
 
AgnosTheist, all due respect, your statement that “Japan is better” has little merit when you consider the abundance of Karaoke bars in the country. Do I really need to say more?
 
davidv said:
What is your source that shows there are no Christians in Japan?
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hey easy with your driving! thats quite a radical turn you took. christians in japan are very very few and they are mostly protestants. whats your point? dont tell me god had blessed all of japan because of these minority protestants, and ignored majority catholic countries like brazil? harharhar! 😃
 
ErikaA said:
AgnosTheist, all due respect, your statement that “Japan is better” has little merit when you consider the abundance of Karaoke bars in the country. Do I really need to say more?
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are you comparing japan’s karaoke bars with catholic brazil’s rampant sex trade? get outta here! 😃
 
AgnosTheist said:
hey easy with your driving! thats quite a radical turn you took. christians in japan are very very few and they are mostly protestants. whats your point? dont tell me god had blessed all of japan because of these minority protestants, and ignored majority catholic countries like brazil? harharhar! 😃
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According to a quick internet search I did, Christians make up less than 1% of the Japanese population, but you still didn’t answer the question as to YOUR source for your claim. Simply diverting questions is certainly not an appropriate way to add to a discussion.

Please define “better” instead of mocking other people who post.

Their unemployment rate is similar to the US. Their cities are polluted. Their people lived in very cramped quarters. The ability to afford a house often requires 100 year mortgages. But crime is lower. Poverty is claimed to be ZERO but measurements are called to question.
 
melensdad said:
According to a quick internet search I did, Christians make up less than 1% of the Japanese population, but you still didn’t answer the question as to YOUR source for your claim. Simply diverting questions is certainly not an appropriate way to add to a discussion.
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you have got to be joking. do you really need a source which says that japan has less poverty, pain & suffering compared to such catholic nations as mexico, philippines, cuba, argentina & zimbabwe? 😃
melensdad said:
Please define “better” instead of mocking other people who post.
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within the context of this discussion, better is less poverty, less pain, less suffering. agree?
 
Please stay on topic, folks. If you wish to discuss the relative goods and evils of nations start a new thread in the appropriate forum. Thank you.
 
Is Japan really doing all that well? Not according to these suicide statistics. According to this list, Japan has the 9th-highest suicide rate in the world. The only predominantly Catholic country with a higher rate of suicide than Japan is Slovenia (5th-highest), and several other countries with primarily Christian populations, including Ireland (34th), Canada (37th), Portugal (42nd), USA (45th) and Brazil (72nd) are substantially lower.

So it doesn’t seem that the Japanese think life in Japan is all that much better, despite the absence of a Christian majority in their country… 🤷
 
ok back to transhumanism, it doesnt really contradict christian traditions. christians have always worked so hard to conquer the pains & limitations of mortality.

so there can be such a thing as “Catholic Transhumanist”. No need for a ‘versus’ thingie. 🙂
 
djrakowski said:
Is Japan really doing all that well? Not according to these suicide statistics.
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So it doesn’t seem that the Japanese think life in Japan is all that much better, despite the absence of a Christian majority in their country… 🤷
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Thank you, that is why I think it is reasonable to define “better” when wild claims are made without backing them up. Further, the discussion on “better” should also be held in context, not to simply cite the worst examples versus the theoretical ‘model’ example.
 
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