Catholics & Mormons Unite

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As someone who has family members on both sides of this, Catholic and Mormon, it is nice to see them finding unity where they can.
 
Here’s a little feel good Christmas article:

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**I don’t feel good Sunstone, is this not typical at a site like this? Here is the reason why…you may agree after you read it. I hope you will understand. If you did I really would feel great! **

I could not understand why our Church in Utah did not allow an LDS member to play the Organ during Mass because we did not have an Organist. Until I sat down and asked.

First, I want to point out that this is different than getting together and singing Christmas Hymns. But there is an underlying problem. Some cannot see it just as I could not regarding the Organ. There is more to it.

Its all about Liturgy and Ministry. You would not have a Catholic Priest conduct an LDS Sacrament meeting. Visa Versa……….Ministry

But again we are speaking about getting together to sing Christmas Hymns. What is the harm in that?

The question here is will it just be a get together among different faiths? Or will it be used with other motives in mind? I have to come to the obvious conclusion, humans being human…….YES! it will. Especially with the LDS who are constantly taught to shine when they are with non-Mormons.

It would be great if different faiths could come together with no motive or transactions to prevent what could be a cordial friendly relationship. I am sure some do, but they are really humble individuals who get it. I know they exist.

Re-read this article. What was a get together is being used as a tool (by some LDS . not all LDS) to evangelize to the Mormon youth which does effect our Catholic youth as well……Where it says we have common beliefs and values. This is brainwashing 101. Maybe values yes….Common beliefs….not even close. I feel as if we should be able to agree on that, respect that.

Does the one who is writing this article understand that our belief systems could not be farther apart? My discernment tells me yes he or she does.

This is why we should be careful when others get excited and want to do things with other faiths. We need strong Catholic leaders to point out the different levels of concern.

I spoke to the Pastor of this particular Church in Meza who told me that this Choir was formed under the Pastor that has left. We both agreed that God always takes what is wrong and turns it into what is good…we trust in this. I don’t want to take what Sunstone Has posted and make it into an argument. I just want to point out how one writer took it and blurred the lines by using it for something else other than what some intended it to be. We always have to look into our own hearts as to our own motives. I would have read it differently Sunstone if it would have said “Although our belief systems, our theology is so different it is great to get together with the Catholics and sing as we have values and music that we can share together. If that were the case I would tell you great article…that it hit my heart. But I can’t as I see other motives behind it. Hope you understand. Other Catholics may disagree here, but I have to stand by this.

God Bless
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**I don’t feel good Sunstone, is this not typical at a site like this? Here is the reason why…you may agree after you read it. I hope you will understand. If you did I really would feel great! **

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Hope you understand. Other Catholics may disagree here, but I have to stand by this.

God Bless
www.utahmission.com
I agree with you. I see LDS youth groups come to Mass, en-Masse, at our Madeleine in SLC. One week there were about 50 youth there with their leaders. Of course they are welcome, but it does make one wonder, why LDS youth are brought to Mass by their LDS leaders? But, whatever the reason, I’m sure, as you say, God can turn all to good.

The Madeleine Choir School consists of non-Catholic and Catholic children alike, including a few LDS kids. They certainly are a part of the liturgy at the Cathedral.
 
I agree with you. I see LDS youth groups come to Mass, en-Masse, at our Madeleine in SLC. One week there were about 50 youth there with their leaders. Of course they are welcome, but it does make one wonder, why LDS youth are brought to Mass by their LDS leaders? But, whatever the reason, I’m sure, as you say, God can turn all to good.

The Madeleine Choir School consists of non-Catholic and Catholic children alike, including a few LDS kids. They certainly are a part of the liturgy at the Cathedral.
That is interesting. I would be interested in knowing the motives behind this, no matter what they are. I’m sure some of the motives could be innocent, and others, not so much.

Has anyone talked to any of them? Maybe they are there to admire the architecture, windows, who knows, maybe the would like a tour.

We give tours of our Cathedral all the time.
 
I can answer that, both the motives and the innocent. Keep in mind whatever sin I may point out in the LDS such as my last post here, I can only do this because I know my own sin well. We are so much alike in that aspect of faith. Its not all one sided if you know what I mean?

They are told to look for different things such as statues for instance or bowing before the Alter. Its pretty much set up. If it is not they have their questions answered by these leaders in a Mormon light afterwords.

It also gives them the opportunity as they grow older to say oh yes I have been to a Catholic Mass but I know my Church is true.

I had a man here in Northern Utah ask me about my faith. He was just off a mission. He told me that he had studied all faiths and found the LDS church to be true. I asked him what he thought of the mass and he could not answer. We discussed sin in out lives. As I left he told me that he does not go there enough.

You will also find young LDS on some Sundays at Mass taking notes. These notes would get answers from an LDS leader, again in their own light.

But….listen to this
We give a tour of our Church each first Tuesday of every month. If you do not do that at your Church do it. put it together, find someone to do it etc… I have a brochure I could give you, its what we give to visitors. We tend to shy away from evangelization at these tours…we just speak about each station such as the Baptismal font for immersion at our doors, the Blessed Sacrament Chapel, the Crucifix etc…

We had an LDS youth group come through, their leader was their Scouts leader. He was an LDS chaplain in the Army who had to know what Catholics believes so he could do his job well. I was talking about the lady of Guadalupe when he asked if he could tell his kids a personal story. We backed off and said of course you can, I have to admit I became pretty curious as to what he was going to tell them. Keep in mind we had just spoken about Confession in the confessional, spent a couple quiet moments with them in the Blessed Sacrament Chapel and explained Baptism. So he bagan and I will quote him as close as I can…you don’t forget something like this.

He said “I was a Chaplain just a few years ago in Iraq” and he told the kids his job. He said he was scared most if the time. Not for himself rather for his wife and children back home. He could not imagine leaving them behind as he love them so much. He said

“I came to know a Catholic; he became a really good friend of mine. A few days before Christmas he asked if I wanted to go with him to the Christmas Mass. (Christ_Mass)I said of course. I had never been and thought it would be neat, plus he was a friend and I did not want to let him down” After the Mass was over he stayed in the chapel behind the rest, he wanted to speak to the Priest. He walked up to the priest who was attending the Alter and they began a conversation on this Christmas Eve. During the conversation this Chaplain told the Priest that he was scared and the feelings he was having. When the conversation was about to end the Priest told him to “reach out his hand and close his eyes.” He placed a small object into his hands and then closed them for him. The Priest told him “when ever you get scared you look at this” He told the youth group that he had been given a small cross with a chain. “to this day when I am scared I look at this cross and it helps so much” he told them that we should never be ashamed of the cross and that even us, the LDS can learn something of importance from another faith.” I cannot remember to much of what else this man said but I do remember having a few tears thinking to myself “wow” that was really special. I believe it was sincere and we did have common ground.

Here was an exchange that I believe was honest, not only between a Catholic Priest and an LDS Chaplain, but also during a tour of our Church. So much so, I had to place it on the www.utahmission.com site
http://utahmission.com/pages/Tour.html

When I get another it will be placed on the same page……still waiting
 
That is interesting. I would be interested in knowing the motives behind this, no matter what they are. I’m sure some of the motives could be innocent, and others, not so much.

Has anyone talked to any of them? Maybe they are there to admire the architecture, windows, who knows, maybe the would like a tour.

We give tours of our Cathedral all the time.
I thought about talking to them afterward, but they all left. We do have a tour of the Cathedral. It doesn’t happen every week, but when it does it is after the 11AM Mass.

Interesting things happen at the Cathedral. One night I was there and a group of BYU students had arranged a group tour, not at the usual Sunday time. One of the students wandered down to our RCIA class and was interested in how she could join us.

So, even if the LDS motives are exposure for the sake of Mormon interpretation, it can backfire (so to speak).
 
I thought about talking to them afterward, but they all left. We do have a tour of the Cathedral. It doesn’t happen every week, but when it does it is after the 11AM Mass.

Interesting things happen at the Cathedral. One night I was there and a group of BYU students had arranged a group tour, not at the usual Sunday time. One of the students wandered down to our RCIA class and was interested in how she could join us.

So, even if the LDS motives are exposure for the sake of Mormon interpretation, it can backfire (so to speak).
No doubt the Lord works in mysterious ways, that’s for sure.

In our RCIA class, we do make a visit to a synagogue,(as part of our presentation on church history) and the tour is usually led by the Rabbi. I cannot tell you how fascinating, and interesting it is to go through every year. Our candidates and catechumens get so much out of it, it is amazing.

If we encounter questions after the tour is over, and we are away from the Rabbi, we contact him and get the answers directly from him. We don’t speculate in any way at all, and we don’t put a “Catholic” spin on it.

I don’t see anything at all wrong with learning about other faiths, but people should rely on answers from representatives of that faith, and not those of others.
 
No doubt the Lord works in mysterious ways, that’s for sure.

In our RCIA class, we do make a visit to a synagogue,(as part of our presentation on church history) and the tour is usually led by the Rabbi. I cannot tell you how fascinating, and interesting it is to go through every year. Our candidates and catechumens get so much out of it, it is amazing.

If we encounter questions after the tour is over, and we are away from the Rabbi, we contact him and get the answers directly from him. We don’t speculate in any way at all, and we don’t put a “Catholic” spin on it.

I don’t see anything at all wrong with learning about other faiths, but people should rely on answers from representatives of that faith, and not those of others.
I am in 100% agreement. We should all do this, go to the source so to speak.
Bearing false witness is a Commadment. One I myself have broken many times. Before I was Catholic for the most part I just did not see it, you kind of brush it into that bag with all the other baggage. Now for the most part I can catch myself doing it and stop. (Confession helps)

In Christ
Rich
 
I have had Mormon elders show up at meeting for worship because someone in the Meeting was taking the “discussions” and considering ‘taking the plunge’, so to speak in baptism…we’ve had interesting 'coffee hours" after such a time.

Those Mormons I have spoken to wish to instil in their young people that there is no harm in looking at what others believe…and there should not be fear…“If we have the Truth, then we should not be fearful in exploring other belief systems…and if we’re not sure we have the Truth…then by all means you should seek for it.”…Friend’s believe the same thing in that respect…to know God “experientially”…“experimentally” “trumps” doctrine and dogma…to Experience the Eternal is the life long Search for Friends…so it should be for everyone.
 
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