"Catholics" who are pro-choice

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Having read posts (via profiles) of some newer members of CA, I’m astonished to find that some are actively pro-choice in their views, yet they imagine themselves to be faithful Catholics. I can’t imagine the “reasoning” that would support such a position. Anyone?
 
I am in favor of free will, and right choices. Is it not also playing God to take away free will from other humans? Right choices made as a result of no-choice don’t really count as good jmoral choices, do they? If we all wore burkas and were as restricted as the poor women of Afghanistan, our abortion rate would probably be lower, but I’m not sure that is really how anyone wants us to get there.
 
The “reasoning” is flawed. You cannot be one in the same, a practicing Catholic and a member of Pro-Choice.

You can belong to both at the same time, but one of the memberships is a fraud.

Several Catholic Bishops are now stepping forward to inform the political leaders in their parishes who hold the same fraudulent postion that they must stop receiving the Body and Blood, if they continue to place the worship of their political “god” i,e, democratic party or republican party - over the true GOD.
 
I am in favor of free will, and right choices. Is it not also playing God to take away free will from other humans? Right choices made as a result of no-choice don’t really count as good jmoral choices, do they? If we all wore burkas and were as restricted as the poor women of Afghanistan, our abortion rate would probably be lower, but I’m not sure that is really how anyone wants us to get there.
To outlaw murder (as we outlawed murder of the unborn until 40 yrs ago) has nothing to do with the rights of women. Law exists because society NEEDS and wants protection. Most especially this should apply to those who cannot defend themselves, babies in the womb. Laws that protect the unborn were once among the no-brainer laws that united nearly all socieites, especially those in the Western world. To pretend that such history doesn’t exist is to deny reality. (This has nothing to do with burkas - as you must certainly know.)
 
The “reasoning” is flawed. You cannot be one in the same, a practicing Catholic and a member of Pro-Choice.

You can belong to both at the same time, but one of the memberships is a fraud.

Several Catholic Bishops are now stepping forward to inform the political leaders in their parishes who hold the same fraudulent postion that they must stop receiving the Body and Blood, if they continue to place the worship of their political “god” i,e, democratic party or republican party - over the true GOD.
Amen.
 
I am in favor of free will, and right choices. Is it not also playing God to take away free will from other humans? Right choices made as a result of no-choice don’t really count as good jmoral choices, do they? If we all wore burkas and were as restricted as the poor women of Afghanistan, our abortion rate would probably be lower, but I’m not sure that is really how anyone wants us to get there.
Unkybunky,

You are in my prayers!

**No one “takes away free will from other humans”, no one “plays God” when they correctly inform a mother that abortion is murdering a beautiful, perfect, innocent baby, not a “choice?”!
**

A reference to the “poor women of Afghanistan & burkahs” has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that murdering an innocent baby is always a grave evil as the Catholic Church has always taught us!

**"Since the first century the Church has affirmed the moral evil of every procured abortion. **This teaching has not changed and remains unchangeable. Direct abortion, that is to say, abortion willed either as an end or a means, is gravely contrary to the moral law:
Code:
You shall not kill the embryo by abortion and shall not cause the newborn to perish.

God, the Lord of life, has entrusted to men the noble mission of safeguarding life, and men must carry it out in a manner worthy of themselves. Life must be protected with the utmost care from the moment of conception: abortion and infanticide are abominable crimes." (CCC 2271).
i am so happy your mother didn’t fall for the lies the the “pro-choice” crowd has spewed & that she didn’t abort you, even though it would have been easier for her in the short term!

**ABORTION IS NOTHING MORE THAN A MODERN EXPLOITATION OF INNOCENT WOMEN BY EVIL MEN FOR THEIR PERSONAL PLEASURE & FOR FINANCIAL GAIN!
**
Sancta Maria, Mater Dei, Ora Pro Nobis Peccatoribus!
 
Again, how do people choose “reasoning” that would support such a position?
Any ideas???
 
**ABORTION IS NOTHING MORE THAN A MODERN EXPLOITATION OF INNOCENT WOMEN BY EVIL MEN FOR THEIR PERSONAL PLEASURE & FOR FINANCIAL GAIN!
**
Sancta Maria, Mater Dei, Ora Pro Nobis Peccatoribus!
Mark, it might be improtant to remember that abortion was first and last supported by women who were “feminist” and roaring about this issue. Were they selfish (unwilling to devote time/energy to the needs of a dependent other) or frightened by society’s censure or both or more?
 
I am in favor of free will, and right choices. Is it not also playing God to take away free will from other humans? Right choices made as a result of no-choice don’t really count as good jmoral choices, do they? If we all wore burkas and were as restricted as the poor women of Afghanistan, our abortion rate would probably be lower, but I’m not sure that is really how anyone wants us to get there.
We all have FREE Will, but we are to use our informed conscience to make a choice . Our choice is based on our priority to follow Christ’s teachings and laws. Adam and Eve also excercised free will, choosing to follow their own pride instead of listening to the word of God. God gave us His laws to guide us to Him where we are truly free from slavery to the world and its secular promises . We all have equal opportunity to make " right " choices. The question is " right " why ? Right becauses it gives us worldly recognitions and benefits we think we deserve ? Or right because we are concerned with the ultimate destination of our eternal soul and the true ultimate GOOD ( which is the truth and goodness of God ) ? It is our " choice ". Choose ( with God’s help ) wisely.
 
We all have FREE Will, but we are to use our informed conscience to make a choice . Our choice is based on our priority to follow Christ’s teachings and laws. Adam and Eve also excercised free will, choosing to follow their own pride instead of listening to the word of God. God gave us His laws to guide us to Him where we are truly free from slavery to the world and its secular promises . We all have equal opportunity to make " right " choices. The question is " right " why ? Right becauses it gives us worldly recognitions and benefits we think we deserve ? Or right because we are concerned with the ultimate destination of our eternal soul and the true ultimate GOOD ( which is the truth and goodness of God ) ? It is our " choice ". Choose ( with God’s help ) wisely.
Yes indeed. I wonder too if suddenly the laws against rape and robbery were dropped from the civil/criminal code, then how many Catholics or other Christians would quickly decide “Oh! Guess we can rape and rob now.” IOW, do we “choose” to trust the law of God or the “laws” of men?
 
Yes indeed. I wonder too if suddenly the laws against rape and robbery were dropped from the civil/criminal code, then how many Catholics or other Christians would quickly decide “Oh! Guess we can rape and rob now.” IOW, do we “choose” to trust the law of God or the “laws” of men?
Catharina: I choose to trust in His law as I think you’d agree … that forever with Him in eternity is better than any other choice. 👍

Happy Easter tomorrow fellow Christian
 
Catharina: I choose to trust in His law as I think you’d agree … that forever with Him in eternity is better than any other choice. 👍

Happy Easter tomorrow fellow Christian
Agreed.

Happy Easter to you and yours!
 
Agreed.

Happy Easter to you and yours!
An Easter gift to all who make a " choice " :

not my words … but the final verse in the hymn of tonight’s evening prayer :

" Were all the realm of nature mine,

That were a present far too small;

Love so amazing, so divine,

Demands my soul, my life, my all. " Isaac Watts 1674-1748 ( slightly adapted )

Is there any other choice !
 
From:

Deuteronomy
Chapter 30

"15 "Here, then, I have today set before you life and prosperity, death and doom.

16 If you obey the commandments of the LORD, your God, which I enjoin on you today, loving him, and walking in his ways, and keeping his commandments, statutes and decrees, you will live and grow numerous, and the LORD, your God, will bless you in the land you are entering to occupy.

**17 If, however, you turn away your hearts and will not listen, but are led astray and adore and serve other gods,

18 I tell you now that you will certainly perish; you will not have a long life on the land which you are crossing the Jordan to enter and occupy.

19 I call heaven and earth today to witness against you: I have set before you life and death, the blessing and the curse. Choose life, then, that you and your descendants may live,

20 by loving the LORD, your God, heeding his voice, and holding fast to him. For that will mean life for you, a long life for you to live on the land which the LORD swore he would give to your fathers Abraham, Isaac and Jacob." **"
 
Again, how do people choose “reasoning” that would support such a position?
Any ideas???
They view pregnancy as a medical condition which if left untreated, will result in an unwanted child. Abortion terminates an unwanted pregnancy. It terminates a fetus which is not yet a child. It removes a growth of cells dividing.

They believe abortion is good - it can avoid a child being raised without an involved father. It can protect limited resources of a family. It protects the dignity of the mother, giving her control over her own body. They believe women should be given the choice of safe, available abortions.

Faithful Catholics know the truth. A life, a human life, is indisputably created at conception through the actions of a man, a woman, and God. Pregnancy is not a sickness to be cured but a miracle to behold. A fetus is not just a collections of cells such as mold or a tumor, but is a person. “Terminating” the fetus is killing a person, a human being. We are somewhat opposed to murder.😉
 
They view pregnancy as a medical condition which if left untreated, will result in an unwanted child. Abortion terminates an unwanted pregnancy. It terminates a fetus which is not yet a child. It removes a growth of cells dividing.

They believe abortion is good - it can avoid a child being raised without an involved father. It can protect limited resources of a family. It protects the dignity of the mother, giving her control over her own body. They believe women should be given the choice of safe, available abortions.

Faithful Catholics know the truth. A life, a human life, is indisputably created at conception through the actions of a man, a woman, and God. Pregnancy is not a sickness to be cured but a miracle to behold. A fetus is not just a collections of cells such as mold or a tumor, but is a person. “Terminating” the fetus is killing a person, a human being. We are somewhat opposed to murder.😉
Thanks for the explanation. So first and foremost, people “agree” that the new life does not exist. It (the human fetus) is rather viewed as a growing blob to be: accepted and supported and cherished - or not accepted and destroyed. Yes - I think you nailed it.

PS - I checked out your blog. Lovely. Welcome home!
 
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