CCC and Bible

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Ok I totally understand this. I agree that outside the Church even the Bible has oranges. and I agree that the Church contextually interpreting the Bible is innereant but my question is is the CCC that infallible authority or does the Church reserve that for the role of Dogma or ex cathedra statements. (is the CCC ex Cathedra) or something with the same authority?
No, the CCC is a compendium of the teachings of the Church, both infallible and fallible. So the CCC is not on par with scripture, but it references (among other texts) council and papal documents that are as authoritative as scripture.
Ok here is where I might fall off the train.
IMO every generation seems to think that it has the compilation of knoledge and wisdom that others didn’t, this is human nature, it happens in science to a fault, it happens in generational gaps between the young and the old. and it happens with religion. For instance at one time the Church held that if you weren’t Christian you needed to be for salvation. Now we understand this "no salvation outside the Church and “There is no way unto the father exept through me” in a different way. Is this something that evolved and can we say that it has stopped evolving? Will futer generations look upon us as watered down Catholics, the way we look upon the middle ages as a Church misguided (as our parish priest like to say)?
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VociMike said:
Potato1;2227421:
Ok I totally understand this. I agree that outside the Church even the Bible has oranges. and I agree that the Church contextually interpreting the Bible is innereant but my question is is the CCC that infallible authority or does the Church reserve that for the role of Dogma or ex cathedra statements. (is the CCC ex Cathedra) or something with the same authority?
No, the CCC is a compendium of the teachings of the Church, both infallible and fallible. So the CCC is not on par with scripture, but it references (among other texts) council and papal documents that are as authoritative as scripture.

Most of these areas of seeming confusion have to do with extra-ordinary circumstances. For example, no salvation outside the Church. Earlier, it seemed evident (and more often was
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evident) what it meant to be in the Church, or out of the Church, but it turned out the concept was deeper than expected, as revealed by e.g. the developments of the Protestant Reformation. Also, a lot of the apparent confusion results when people try to extend the received revelation to areas where the revelation does not speak - think limbo and unbaptized babies. God has simply not chosen to reveal their fate to us, so we fall back on purely intellectual (that is, fallible) attempts to extrapolate what we know into regions where what we know does not apply.

As to the future, as new heresies appear, and as new moral problems appear (usually as the result of new technologies), the Church will continue to develop its received revelation to deal with these situations.

Ahhh this is what I was looking for. The 1st paragraph was right on the mark as to what I have kind of formed in my own head.

As to the second part. I know that the Church will continue to fight against heresy, but It seems to me that even the old battles have not been won yet. it is no small black eye on the Church that some ancient hereseys are gaining legs at an alarming rate in today’s society. I wonder what/if in the future any teachings with a small t that we have today will be redefined or changed… but that is just theoligical fodder for debate.
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Potato1 said:
As to the second part. I know that the Church will continue to fight against heresy, but It seems to me that even the old battles have not been won yet. it is no small black eye on the Church that some ancient hereseys are gaining legs at an alarming rate in today’s society. I wonder what/if in the future any teachings with a small t that we have today will be redefined or changed… but that is just theoligical fodder for debate.
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I know the feeling, but remember that at one point some 90% of the Church had succumbed to the Arian heresy, and yet the Church as the Church still proclaimed it a heresy, and eventually it was defeated. I guess the Church just has to guard the revelation and think very long term.
 
Seems to me that the CCC confirms Scripture as the Word of God and not the other way around. The CCC is an accumulation of catechesis derived from Scripture, Tradition, papal encyclicals and other resources that form a well rounded knowledge of our faith. THe current CCC was completed in 1992. Scripture was acknowledged in the latter part of the fourth century when the canon was decided. Both the Bible and the CCC have their distict roles but we must place each accordingly and not try to place them on top of one another…teachccd:)
 
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