CCCB finally issues decrees on implementation of the new translation

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Thanks for this! I’ve been looking for such a document!
God Bless :signofcross::byzsoc:
 
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LoyalViews said:
Thanks for this! I’ve been looking for such a document!
God Bless :signofcross::byzsoc:
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I figured I wasn’t the only one waiting for that. I just wish they’d give us the GIRM but I suspect we’ll have to buy that document.

I’ve Noticed that you now had to buy the American one and I can no longer find it online – am I just looking at the wrong place?
 
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Phemie said:
I figured I wasn’t the only one waiting for that. I just wish they’d give us the GIRM but I suspect we’ll have to buy that document.

I’ve Noticed that you now had to buy the American one and I can no longer find it online – am I just looking at the wrong place?
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Phemie said:
You’d think this would have been under ‘NEWS’ but no, had to go to Media Room/Official Texts/Decrees to find the decrees on both the implementation of the GIRM and the new translation. They came down on August 22. Still no access to the text of the GIRM to find out what the adaptations are for Canada.

cccb.ca/site/images/stories/pdf/off-doc_2011-03e.pdf

cccb.ca/site/images/stories/pdf/off-doc_2011-02.pdf
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At yesterday’s service at St. Philomena, the weekly bullitin had a two page insert from the USCCB, titled “Ten Questions on the ROMAN MISSAL, Third Edition”. It was mostly background information on the need for a new translation, and the somewhat lengthy implimentation. :coffeeread:

It also notes that the first date the revised missal can be used is November 27, 2011. It also notes that there will be a cutoff date, after which the old missal is not to be used. The actual date was not given. All in all, a good start:yup:
 
BVM_1221 said:
At yesterday’s service at St. Philomena, the weekly bullitin had a two page insert from the USCCB, titled “Ten Questions on the ROMAN MISSAL, Third Edition”. It was mostly background information on the need for a new translation, and the somewhat lengthy implimentation. :coffeeread:

It also notes that the first date the revised missal can be used is November 27, 2011. It also notes that there will be a cutoff date, after which the old missal is not to be used. The actual date was not given. All in all, a good start:yup:
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According to the decree no other English translation can be used after November 27th, but I guess that will depend on all parishes getting their Roman Missals on time – they’re not being shipped until Nov. 10…
 
I thought I can say I won’t be affected by this, but I’ll be teaching PREP (CCD) this coming school year so I better be up-to-date with the Latin Rite rubrics. Also I do still go to the RC Cathedral during Great Feast Days when it falls on a work day because there’s no Ukrainian Church close to where I work.
 
Phemie said:
According to the decree no other English translation can be used after November 27th, but I guess that will depend on all parishes getting their Roman Missals on time – they’re not being shipped until Nov. 10…
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Oops, I’m sorry BMV 1221 - of course the decrees I speak of don’t apply to you since you don’t live in Canada.
 
Phemie said:
Oops, I’m sorry BMV 1221 - of course the decrees I speak of don’t apply to you since you don’t live in Canada.
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Now that I am retired, I have been thinking about it:D

Update on 29 August 2011. The latest OSV (Our Sunday Visitor), 28 August, had a survey about USA Catholics (not Canadian) and their awareness of the upcoming changes.

Overall; it was 23% yes, and 77% no.:confused:

Those who attended mass only a few times per year came in at 9% yes
Those who attended mass at least once a month were up to 34% yes
But those who attended mass at least once per week were still only up to 57%😦

These are not good figures:dts:
 
BVM_1221 said:
Now that I am retired, I have been thinking about it:D

Update on 29 August 2011. The latest OSV (Our Sunday Visitor), 28 August, had a survey about USA Catholics (not Canadian) and their awareness of the upcoming changes.

Overall; it was 23% yes, and 77% no.:confused:

Those who attended mass only a few times per year came in at 9% yes
Those who attended mass at least once a month were up to 34% yes
But those who attended mass at least once per week were still only up to 57%😦

These are not good figures:dts:
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Let’s face it, this has been a topic of conversation on these boards but it has not been talked about much in parishes. My pastor certainly wasn’t interested in telling the parishioners about it. I think a lot of priests think it’s much ado about nothing and the people in the pews will just keep reading the responses as they are written and nothing much needs to be said.
 
BVM_1221 said:
Update on 29 August 2011. The latest OSV (Our Sunday Visitor), 28 August, had a survey about USA Catholics (not Canadian) and their awareness of the upcoming changes.

Overall; it was 23% yes, and 77% no.:confused:
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Yes, but to put things into perspective, the actual revision to the Mass was made in 2002. How many were/are aware of that? Even I wasn’t aware of it until I read it here on CA.
 
ProVobis said:
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Priests I’ve talked to weren’t aware of that and, really, why should they be? It had nothing to do with them unless they were celebrating Mass in Latin – how many would that affect? If they only celebrate in the vernacular then it wouldn’t come into play until the RM was published in the vernacular they are using in their parish.

I also ran into confusion because, in Canada, our Lectionary was being rewritten/translated at the same time so anytime I talked about the ‘new translation’ most thought I was referring to the Lectionary and seemed surprised to hear that a new translation of the RM was also in the pipes.
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Some parishes could be waiting until after the summer to start talking about the new translation, I know it gives them less time for catechesis, but when there’s a lot of people away, and often no bulletin in the summer priests may have decided to wait.

We just got three fantastic new priests at my parish (our previous pastor retired), so I understand if they’ve decided to let us get used to them for a bit before they get us ready for the new translation.

When I was chatting with our new pastor he mentioned that we’re going to start using the new musical settings before Advent, so I expect more news will go out to the whole parish in the next few weeks.
 
Phemie said:
Priests I’ve talked to weren’t aware of that and, really, why should they be? It had nothing to do with them unless they were celebrating Mass in Latin – how many would that affect? If they only celebrate in the vernacular then it wouldn’t come into play until the RM was published in the vernacular they are using in their parish.
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You’re right, of course, but something doesn’t seem to be right if let’s say (for example) they were to change the wording in the Canon to remove St. Joseph because he was not a martyr, that it would take 10 years (if not 40) for 99% of the Catholics to realize the change.
 
ProVobis said:
You’re right, of course, but something doesn’t seem to be right if let’s say (for example) they were to change the wording in the Canon to remove St. Joseph because he was not a martyr, that it would take 10 years (if not 40) for 99% of the Catholics to realize the change.
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This is nothing new really; In comparison to the USCCB and CCCB Roman Missals (Sacramentary). On a Liturgical bases the Canadian CCCB omits numerous Masses that commemorate Saints and Feasts in our daily Masses when compared to the US Liturgical Ordo of the Weekly Masses and Solemnities. There was a time when our Roman Missal and Lectionary along with the Commemoration of Feast Days and all Solemnities were virtually the same with the exception of US Saints and Canadian Saints.

I’ve known a number of priests who use the US Catholic Sacramentary and Lectionary when saying private daily Masses.

It bothers me to some degree why there is such a radical difference at various degrees in translation and implement between both Catholic Confraternities of Bishops when it comes to liturgical translations of both the Roman Missal and Lectionary when both are written and published by the I.C.E.L.

Even aspects in the GIRM from both countries can deviate noticeably.
I’m at a loss to understand why the CCCB does release more information than it presently does about the new Missal
 
centurionguard said:
I’m at a loss to understand why the CCCB does release more information than it presently does about the new Missal
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I think you mean ‘doesn’t’, right?

Is it coincidence that I make the OP and the announcement of the decrees gets put on the Home page of the CCCB website the next day?
 
ProVobis said:
You’re right, of course, but something doesn’t seem to be right if let’s say (for example) they were to change the wording in the Canon to remove St. Joseph because he was not a martyr, that it would take 10 years (if not 40) for 99% of the Catholics to realize the change.
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I’m sure there is a mechanism in place for Rome to implement a change like that without delay.
 
centurionguard said:
It bothers me to some degree why there is such a radical difference at various degrees in translation and implement between both Catholic Confraternities of Bishops when it comes to liturgical translations of both the Roman Missal and Lectionary when both are written and published by the I.C.E.L.
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The I.C.E.L. may have something to do with the delays. For example, before the I.C.E.L, when St. Joseph’s name was included in the 1962 typical edition of Missal, this was communicated almost immediately from the bishops to the priests to the churchgoers. As were other small changes in the rubrics, such as chimes were to be discontinued, and so forth.

The I.C.E.L. as I understand it, was being formed in 1963 when there were rumors that the upcoming council would allow a limited amount of vernacular in the liturgy. The period in the 60’s was notorious for having different parishes implementing changes differently and at different rates. It caused a lot of confusion, and started people wondering about the validity of all these changes, even before the 1970 Missal was promulgated.

Perhaps it’s good in a way, that all these changes are being done at once, even if they are 10 years after the 2002 Missal was issued. Of course, adjustments to them may be too much for many to process. Comes with the territory, I guess.
Phemie said:
I’m sure there is a mechanism in place for Rome to implement a change like that without delay.
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Yes, but the internet and various translations can still be cause for confusion too. 🙂
 
Phemie said:
Is it coincidence that I make the OP and the announcement of the decrees gets put on the Home page of the CCCB website the next day?
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Why do I get the feeling that Phemie will be making many more OP’s now. :D:D
 
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